Prevent SIDE SWITCHING with under 4 bases to reset.

[Lusche]

usche, respectfully, I watched the numbers change.  In this case, it happened exactly like that. 

Exactly. You watched numbers. Not players. That's the problem. And the only conclusion you can imagine is people switching sides, completely ignoring actual behaviour and team loyalties.

Numbers are changing all the time. During daytime you will see them rocket up and down. One moment Bish have ENY 15, 30 minutes later Rooks get the ENY limit. And that's just because players are entering and leaving the arena. And when a country is getting thrashed, people will leave for the other arena, thus increasing the "winners" ENY limit.

[Delirium]

Exactly. You watched numbers. Not players. That's the problem. And the only conclusion you can imagine is people switching sides, completely ignoring actual behaviour and team loyalties.

Snailman, I really like your posts. You are 'spot on' most of the time but none of them will ever admit it.

Numbers are changing all the time.

If you don't believe Snailman, the next time your ENY is very high and another country is low, go to the other arena. Most of the time the situation is reversed in the other arena because the country with its back against the wall usually just logs into the other arena.

[Guppy35]

A very broad and very wrong statement.

Amen

[Guppy35]

You're kidding right?  So an army (the Wehrmacht) that is outnumbered from the beginning, steamrolls a continent and they're not more advanced?  Wrong, they were more advanced both technically and operationally (tactically).  A third of the French tanks couldn't fire anything bigger than a machine gun.  The lengths people will go to to customize their truth. The US Army still had Cavalry at the beginning of the war.

I mean c'mon.  

Germany manufactured pretty much the most advanced weaponry of the war, in most, if not all categories.  It was the Allies superiority in numbers and in operational control that won the war.  Logistics and Industrial capacity as well, won the allied effort.

Name a class of weaponry the Reich didn't actually have an edge in.... There were entire classes of weaponry only possessed by the Germans, such as guided missiles, rocket powered flight and of course jet (until very late in the war), helicopters, cruise missiles, anti shipping missiles......

Please oh please go do some research first before making statements like that

[hlbly]

That one always cracked me up, considering the Luftwaffe and the Wermacht were much more technically advanced than any of the Allies' fighting forces for the entire war.  The Allies had numerical superiority from 1941 on.  I'm sure this will start a side thread from the flag wavers, but the fact is the Germans fielded the most advanced military in the world through 1945.  The war would have been over much sooner if that had not been the case, with obvious help from Hitler's blatant strategic ineptitude.

In some respects yes they did in others not so much . 90% of the German Army still relied on horse drawn transport . Putting their  infantry on the same level as Napoleans army as far as mobility goes . The standard German infantry weapon the Mauser kar98 was a WW1 piece of technology . Once again except for the Panzer units German artillery control still relied on the field phone in the overwhelming majority of their formations . They made up  for this with much better operational concepts such as making the rifle the support weapon and the MG the squads primary weapon . More importantly thru far superior leadership . Company grade officers were head and shoulders above everyone they fought .One thing the Germans really stunk in was logistics . From top to bottom if not the worst then just 1 notch away . Procurement to individual issue the were riddled with problems .

[hlbly]

You're kidding right?  So an army (the Wehrmacht) that is outnumbered from the beginning, steamrolls a continent and they're not more advanced?  Wrong, they were more advanced both technically and operationally (tactically).  A third of the French tanks couldn't fire anything bigger than a machine gun.  The lengths people will go to to customize their truth. The US Army still had Cavalry at the beginning of the war.

I mean c'mon.  

Germany manufactured pretty much the most advanced weaponry of the war, in most, if not all categories.  It was the Allies superiority in numbers and in operational control that won the war.  Logistics and Industrial capacity as well, won the allied effort.

Name a class of weaponry the Reich didn't actually have an edge in.... There were entire classes of weaponry only possessed by the Germans, such as guided missiles, rocket powered flight and of course jet (until very late in the war), helicopters, cruise missiles, anti shipping missiles......

First off operations and tactics very different . Operations falls in between tactical and strategic . Operational level is very hard to define , it is a concept the Germans developed . Let me try by citing example . Tactics would be using bounding overwatch reconnaissance by fire etc . Operations would be what formations are going to move where and how . Strategy would be deciding what to hit to make the nme quit . The Panzer I and II were pretty much no better armed then the French . The big problem with french tanks was overloading the Track Commander , I believe he was the loader gunner TC radio op . The Germans did it with organizational and operational superiority . The french had only one DLM <light armored division> in 1940 . Brigade sized units were generally parceled out even . This led to the French slapping , while the Germans concentrated their armor and punched instead . Lusche  I should have read entire thread before posting . Sorry for repeating .

[Ack-Ack]

You're kidding right?  So an army (the Wehrmacht) that is outnumbered from the beginning, steamrolls a continent and they're not more advanced?  Wrong, they were more advanced both technically and operationally (tactically).  A third of the French tanks couldn't fire anything bigger than a machine gun.  The lengths people will go to to customize their truth. The US Army still had Cavalry at the beginning of the war.

I mean c'mon.  

At the start of hostilities, which includes the invasion of Poland and up to and the end of the Battle of France, the French had more advanced and better tanks than the German army.  Those Char B tanks people like to make fun of?  At the time, they could easily take on and destroy any German tank the Wehrmacht had in their inventory.  You scoff at the US Army still having actual horse cavalry units when the majority the Wehrmacht was dependent on horses for transportion throughout the entire war and it wasn't because the Allies had made any other form of transportation risky.

You should also read your World War II history a little bit better, especially the time of the Phony War and the Battle of France.  It wasn't equipment that lost the war for the French and the British on the mainland, it was tactics.  The French didn't use their tanks properly, instead they had the doctrine that tanks were to support infantry and their tactics weren't suited for maneuver warfare the Germans were using.

Name a class of weaponry the Reich didn't actually have an edge in.... There were entire classes of weaponry only possessed by the Germans, such as guided missiles, rocket powered flight and of course jet (until very late in the war), helicopters, cruise missiles, anti shipping missiles......

But you want me to name a class of weaponry?  That's a real easy one...atomic weapons.


ack-ack

[Westy]

"There were entire classes of weaponry only possessed by the Germans, such as guided missiles, rocket powered flight and of course jet (until very late in the war), helicopters, cruise missiles, anti shipping missiles.."

Bzzzzt. Wrongo!  You really should go bone up on who had what more. The US had all of that too (USN mainly) and so did the Brits. As Ack Ack noted
the German was success from tactics, not technology.  Also, as was noted, the Allies had the trump card - das nOOk.   Something old Adolph never
had (nor came close to) .   Nor did the Germans have a decent navy with aircraft carriers. Something the US had an abundance of. Hell even the British
had those! You're vision is just warped from those leather undie colored glasses.  <heel click, arm thrust> "Seik Hellp!"   


p.s. the Germans had NO chance in winning the war because they did not have the technologically advanced industrial might of the United States. That
is the reason the Axis lost in a nutshell. The US could out research, out develop, out produce and out "reach out & touch somebody"  a magnitude more
than the Germans could - even adding in the rest of the Axis.  The US could project an enormous power across both the Atlantic AND the Pacific oceans
AND maintain and supply them to boot The Germans could not.  (example: their Afrika forces just south of them).

[Digr1]

I would propose that HT might look into the possibility of curtailing side switching when any country gets within Four bases of a reset. This would serve a couple of different purposes:

1)  It would increase the likelihood of actual "fights" for bases, rather than 75 man hordes on a single vehicle base.  

2)  ENY.  When one side gets close to a reset, there is an inevitable mass exodus of players from the other two.  I don't know if people can't get perks any other way, but the fights degenerate rather quickly close to a reset, for all countries.

Case in point... was having a great time yesterday (Sunday 3 JAN), with a small map and good fights.  I fly high ENY birds ~75-80% (Ki84 and 190F8) of the time anyway, so that doesn't make a difference.  Rook ENY was ~8 or so, and the fights were spectacular.  I mean great times.  Rooks took a couple of bases.....and got within 1 or 2 of reset.  Suddenly, 80 players from Knit and Bish switched sides, I guess to get the free perks.  ENY went from 8 to 29 in about 3 minutes.  Fights all over the map degenerated into hordes of Rooks on single bases, which were then countered by both of the other countries upping 262's en masse.  The actual fighting dropped to nothing...and turned into a slaughter.  I left the arena and went to the other.

It's really frustrating going from a great time having great fights to flying P40's against 262's and Tempests.  

Inevitably, someone will say, just switch sides.  I like flying with my squadron.  If I was freelance, I would switch in a heartbeat.  I'm just saying that the fights would be better if we limited the "mass exodus" of switchers close to a reset.

Just make the map a 2 sided war with 2 teams, that would stop alot of problems that lead to side switching

[AWwrgwy]

Just make the map a 2 sided war with 2 teams, that would stop alot of problems that lead to side switching

How so?

One side with 60 vs. one side with 20?

Sound better?

 


wrongway

[MORAY37]

At the start of hostilities, which includes the invasion of Poland and up to and the end of the Battle of France, the French had more advanced and better tanks than the German army.  Those Char B tanks people like to make fun of?  At the time, they could easily take on and destroy any German tank the Wehrmacht had in their inventory.  You scoff at the US Army still having actual horse cavalry units when the majority the Wehrmacht was dependent on horses for transportion throughout the entire war and it wasn't because the Allies had made any other form of transportation risky.




ack-ack

Exactly. AS  TRANSPORTATION, not as viable military units.  The U.S. still looked at cavalry charge as a viable military tactic in the late 30's and early 40's.

You can all disagree all you wish, it is generally accepted that my point is valid, from a military history standpoint.  From squad weapons on up, Germany was ahead of the allies.  I'm not saying that every soldier was fielding the best possible weapon available.   Numerical superiority and Industrial might won the war for us, along with some technical innovation as well (Radar, codebreaking).  Inevitably, some will disagree, and say that the MG42 wasn't the best fielded MG of the war... the StG44 wasn't the top infantry weapon, that Panthers and Tigers were not the standard for post war armor development, and the Me-262 was a dog. Ad Infinitum.  You're entitled to your opinion of course....facts say different.

Military historians say otherwise.


As far as the atomic bomb, There are quite a few historians that think Hitler actually won that race.  There was a patent draft for a plutonium bomb in Germany in 1941, as well as tested soil on the island of Rugen that is still radioactive from a purported test of a weapon during the war.  

Most think this weapon was closer to a "dirty bomb" and the program was hampered by lack of pure grade uranium.  (Which is a reason, some historians have postulated, that we invaded Africa when we did. Africa and North America were pretty much the only places that had uranium, as was known then)

We should be thankful Hitler was a complete buffoon in any case.  Maybe we can agree on that?  

[Flipperk]

The only reason why the Char was so hard to kill was because of its thick armor, the cannon itself was not that much better than that of the Pzkpfw II, but when you can take rounds all day and the enemy can't, you will eventually win.

[Westy]

Me thinks you get your info from Luft'46 type websites. Lots of conjecture, wishful
thinking and pure made up hogwash.

"squad weapons on up"

Right. The US didn't have the BAR, Thompson, M1, carbine and M3 grease gun.  US soldiers
routinely threw away those weapons to pick up the <cough> superior German squad weapons.
lol. um, yeah.

Yes the MG42 was the fastest firing mg of the war and the St44 was a precurser STYLE wise
to the assault rifle but it was not the first automatic or even semi-auto weapon to be deployed.
The US M1 was the best infantry weapon of the war - hands down and was being used LONG
before the 44 was.

 As with tanks the Germans had the advantage in not having to ship across the Atlantic ocean
those Tigers and Panthers to the North American continent. (like they ever stood a chance of
doing that either)  The US had to weigh quantity vs quality so they sent the M4 and smaller tanks.
Now if the US had factories to make tanks in the European theater, like Russia with it's T-34, the
M-26 would have been there a lot sooner and been pawning those German tanks as it did when
it arrived in '44.

 But as for you and "some" historians thinking Hitler won the nuke war with a supposed dirty
bomb? Pure baloney.  Refer to my opinion on what you really base your opinion on - Luft'46 type
of crap and not actual historical fact.

 Seems that with the advent of the internet anyone who can build a website and post fabrications
and imaginative stories we now have a new legion of self dubbed "historians"

[Masherbrum]

You're kidding right?  So an army (the Wehrmacht) that is outnumbered from the beginning, steamrolls a continent and they're not more advanced?  Wrong, they were more advanced both technically and operationally (tactically).  A third of the French tanks couldn't fire anything bigger than a machine gun.  The lengths people will go to to customize their truth. The US Army still had Cavalry at the beginning of the war.

I mean c'mon.  

Germany manufactured pretty much the most advanced weaponry of the war, in most, if not all categories.  It was the Allies superiority in numbers and in operational control that won the war.  Logistics and Industrial capacity as well, won the allied effort.

Name a class of weaponry the Reich didn't actually have an edge in.... There were entire classes of weaponry only possessed by the Germans, such as guided missiles, rocket powered flight and of course jet (until very late in the war), helicopters, cruise missiles, anti shipping missiles......

You are wrong on so many levels Moray, it isn't even funny.

[Flipperk]

Moray let me help you out here bud, its true that Germany did produce *some* of the most advanced weaponary of the war...however there is a HUGE difference between experimental and advancement.

Germany did a lot of experimental weapons in order to gain a foothold on the war...when countries start to loose a war they try things they normally would not try. Just how the first submarine was actually made and tested by the Confederates during the civil war called the Hunley. This machinary was more advanced than anything the Union had, but however when it does not have an effect on the war you can only place it in the experimental category.