Dueling vs MA fighting

[R 105]

In the DA the reason you getting shot down with fantastic defection shots is because they are flying in F-3 mode and aiming the plane at you at you from the outside.

[TW9]

BnZ'ing the Pony, like any 'half decent pilot would', instead of committing to an energy/angles/turning fight. I'll even flat turn at the merge if you'd like.
Of course you do, it's awesome. Took me 9,001 hours in MS Paint.

why just bnz in pony when its perfectly capable of doing more? and overshoots arent all that hard to do. just takes patience, timing, and good gunnery. if a timid bnz'er is darting down at you and u pull up and barrel roll around on their 6 and pop off a few, chances are they'll run off to something less threatening if you didnt shoot it down.

btw theres a film somewhere from badboy showing how to do it.

[Ardy123]

why just bnz in pony when its perfectly capable of doing more? and overshoots arent all that hard to do. just takes patience, timing, and good gunnery. if a timid bnz'er is darting down at you and u pull up and barrel roll around on their 6 and pop off a few, chances are they'll run off to something less threatening if you didnt shoot it down.

btw theres a film somewhere from badboy showing how to do it.

Ponys are very capable planes, (think flaps baby), and yet most people just bnz and pick. Same with temptests. Last night for example, I spend 10 min fighting a temp, only to have him run away after he ran out of ammo, because all he was doing was bnzing. Look at Betty, she will actually fight you in a temp, and not just make a pass then extend to 3k+ and return hoping to pick you.

[Nemisis]

Sure motherland, if you think its important enough to take it that far. Just opinions here. And are you serious about the MS paint thing  ?!?


TW9, I know barrel rolls are pretty easy. All I'm saying is he saying it like "yeah, all you have to do is get him to overshoot and your set", the way you might say "oh yeah, you have to hit the 'Y' button at the end of the cheat code to unlock the bonus".  Its not a guarenteed win if you get him to overshoot, but it is guarenteed that something will happen if you enter a cheat code into a game.

[Stiglr]

Your post seems to me like you're just reading out of a book, and not speaking with any experience. Overshoots are easier said than done, and if the other 51 is halfway decent stick, he'll BnZ you or just keep slashing you till you fall from the sky, your own skill and patients be damned.

And your post seems to me to suggest you don't know sh*t about me, or my experience level. I'm pretty good at forcing an overshoot... although, if the other guy is a patient or experienced B&Zer, likely all I can hope to do is avoid his gunpasses and force a standoff we both fly away from. I'll take that outcome any day of the week.

I've survived situations in a Zero where 4 or 5 well-flown -38s, Corsairs or Stangs tried to get me. It was impossible to get a shot off myself because by the time I evaded a pass and reversed and got into position, I had to check six to find the next guy in the conga line bearing in on me. Which is why, in 1-vs.-many, you count victory by mere survival, not by how many of the horde you get.

[TW9]

Sure motherland, if you think its important enough to take it that far. Just opinions here. And are you serious about the MS paint thing  ?!?


TW9, I know barrel rolls are pretty easy. All I'm saying is he saying it like "yeah, all you have to do is get him to overshoot and your set", the way you might say "oh yeah, you have to hit the 'Y' button at the end of the cheat code to unlock the bonus".  Its not a guarenteed win if you get him to overshoot, but it is guarenteed that something will happen if you enter a cheat code into a game.

ya i hear ya, its not easy. just watch some films to see what u have to do. once u get that down the timing eventually follows. that badboy film is pretty good reference.

[Motherland]

why just bnz in pony when its perfectly capable of doing more? and overshoots arent all that hard to do. just takes patience, timing, and good gunnery. if a timid bnz'er is darting down at you and u pull up and barrel roll around on their 6 and pop off a few, chances are they'll run off to something less threatening if you didnt shoot it down.

btw theres a film somewhere from badboy showing how to do it.

I'm quite aware of that, that was in fact the point of my post

And are you serious about the MS paint thing  ?!?

Of course
When are you going to be in game.

[uptown]

Uptown,

I'm not the greatest stick but I can hold my own in most cases.  I do see what you are talking about and the primary two reasons why you are running out of E is number 1 over use of flaps not pulling them in when you don't need them anymore and  2 pulling to hard on the stick making the stall limiter go off.  I primary do duels over anything else because like you I want to become better in the 1v1 environment, so I can compete in more koth's.  

There are times in a fight that you may say If I go straight for another sec or two then pull hard I'll get a snapshot working those angles but at the same time if you miss you already need to have your next move planned.  It's very similar to chess once you learn what your doing wrong.  

Come find me and I'll work with you

 

TnDep

i'll catch up with ya in the next couple of days. Thanks

[Steve]

I've survived situations in a Zero where 4 or 5 well-flown

Uhh if they didn't get you, they weren't well flown

[Steve]

Sure motherland, if you think its important enough to take it that far. Just opinions here. And are you serious about the MS paint thing  ?!?


TW9, I know barrel rolls are pretty easy. All I'm saying is he saying it like "yeah, all you have to do is get him to overshoot and your set", the way you might say "oh yeah, you have to hit the 'Y' button at the end of the cheat code to unlock the bonus".  Its not a guarenteed win if you get him to overshoot, but it is guarenteed that something will happen if you enter a cheat code into a game.

When I asked about a co-E or +E pony the answer was try to force  overshoot.  This is not really a very good answer. You are going straight to last resort.A co-E pony.... why not just out fly him instead of willfully surrendering your 6? You're right that an overshoot is a dicey thing.  For my part I am glad when a person tries for the overshoot...that fight is mine.

[WMLute]

When I asked about a co-E or +E pony the answer was try to force  overshoot.  This is not really a very good answer. You are going straight to last resort.A co-E pony.... why not just out fly him instead of willfully surrendering your 6? You're right that an overshoot is a dicey thing.  For my part I am glad when a person tries for the overshoot...that fight is mine.

Exactly what I was thinking Steve.

Just out fly the guy.

I think the underlying point is they can not out fly anybody; or are unwilling to even try so they can learn how to.

[Stiglr]

Uhh if they didn't get you, they weren't well flown

Not necessarily. Perhaps I flew well, too. The fact that they didn't make mistakes (certainly losing one of five against only one would be a pretty big mistake), and that I had no chance whatsoever to claim any of them... maybe that points to everyone involved flying well, eh?

[Steve]

Not necessarily. Perhaps I flew well, too. The fact that they didn't make mistakes (certainly losing one of five against only one would be a pretty big mistake), and that I had no chance whatsoever to claim any of them... maybe that points to everyone involved flying well, eh?

No

[TW9]

When I asked about a co-E or +E pony the answer was try to force  overshoot.  This is not really a very good answer. You are going straight to last resort.A co-E pony.... why not just out fly him instead of willfully surrendering your 6? You're right that an overshoot is a dicey thing.  For my part I am glad when a person tries for the overshoot...that fight is mine.

i dont think anyone would prefer to be co-anything. if someone is higher than u u really have no choice but to make them overshoot. ur not "giving" them ur six they should generally already have it. Not dead 6 but somewhere in that sector. You can evade while also luring your attacking into ur gunsights with the same risk as u would already have anyways if you were just to avoid the attack with no offensive intentions.

[TnDep]

i'll catch up with ya in the next couple of days. Thanks

rgr