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Offline Toad

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« Reply #15 on: June 21, 2001, 10:58:00 AM »
Well Westy I think Jekyll is just enjoying rubbing it in since the WW2OL FM debuted with absolutely no flaws.

After all, none of those planes retain E indefinitely, none climb better than their weights and "book rate" of climb would indicate and Hoof hasn't suggested as yet that he's going to revamp the original flight model's rudder effectiveness and drag calculations.

Oh yeah, the gunnery is probably like " shooting a rifle whilst jogging" or some such likely analogy.

So, he's just so happy now he has to come back here. There's nothing worth discussing over on those other boards.   :)

It's heaven for the "greater difficulty = more realistic" book-reading experts.   :D They all agree with each other, so it's paradise.

"And I went up there, I said, "Shrink, I want to kill.  I mean, I wanna, I
wanna kill.  Kill.  I wanna, I wanna see, I wanna see blood and gore and
guts and veins in my teeth.  Eat dead burnt bodies. I mean kill, Kill,
KILL, KILL."  And I started jumpin up and down yelling, "KILL, KILL," and
he started jumpin up and down with me and we was both jumping up and down
yelling, "KILL, KILL."  And the sargent came over, pinned a medal on me,
sent me down the hall, said, "You're our boy."

From "Alice's Restaurant" by Arlo Guthrie.

Reminds me of the harder = real-er guys. They're all jumping up and down and agreeing with each other. Whether they know what they're talking about or not.   :)

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« Reply #16 on: June 21, 2001, 10:58:00 AM »
Pyro,... Have you tried x-plane yet? Please do then post what you feel about it.

I am in no way trying to put down aces, I just feel and know from flight experience that the way aces represents flight characteristics such as stalls or the physical interaction of airflow over an aircraft, x comes out on top.

I know its kinda like comparing apples and oranges in some respects due to the differing goals of X and Aces. Also please do not be so quick to think that I am bashing Aces or feel that I might not have a place in asking/suggesting something.

If you have read/heard about my posts of Flight model and the level of Fidelity Aces uses copared to that of X, Then please.. I strongly urge you to tell me what you Feel X has or hasn't over Aces.  Thanks - Deez
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« Reply #17 on: June 21, 2001, 11:37:00 AM »
um ok.
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« Reply #18 on: June 21, 2001, 11:41:00 AM »
Hello friends, Hello  Pyro:

was the slats of the 109 modeled finally?

Los Slats del 109 van a se modelados?

Saludos

supongo  :D
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« Reply #19 on: June 21, 2001, 11:46:00 AM »
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Originally posted by DeeZCamp:
If you have read/heard about my posts of Flight model and the level of Fidelity Aces uses copared to that of X, Then please.. I strongly urge you to tell me what you Feel X has or hasn't over Aces.


You don't know what Aces High models or doesn't model and how it models... you are simply talking out of your tail pipe.
-SW
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« Reply #20 on: June 21, 2001, 11:52:00 AM »
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Originally posted by Pyro:

Digression aside- there are some issues with N1K2 flight modeling that require some further work and changes.  

F4U- The -1C is definately underweight.  There's some other performance issues that need to be looked at as well, but the weight issue is a known factor and will finally be fixed.

P-47D-11 is underweight and that will be changed.  A prop change is not planned at this point as I really don't want to do 8 variants of the P-47.

Flaps- there's some issues with flaps that needs to be looked into.  Results and possible action pending further investigation.

Stalls-  similar to flaps but more aircraft specific.

Some stuff is cut and dry, other stuff isn't.  So keep in mind that there is no outcome until there is an outcome.


Neat! I cannot help but admire some one who seeks to continually improve his product.

Tilt
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« Reply #21 on: June 21, 2001, 11:57:00 AM »
Pyro thank you for finally doing this post.
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« Reply #22 on: June 21, 2001, 12:08:00 PM »
Quote:You don't know what Aces High models or doesn't model and how it models... you are simply talking out of your tail pipe.
-SW

Gee your ignorance is your own personal bliss? Its funny how you jump on the bashing bandwagon. Pretty original  :rolleyes:
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« Reply #23 on: June 21, 2001, 12:14:00 PM »
Toad   I agree 100% and doing my damndest not to add to what you said. And for me it's pretty damned hard not to add my .02 (re:WWII, realism, etc etc)  :D

 And I have to agree whole HEARTEDLY with Tilt. HTC's willingness to comb through thier data, talk and listne to thier customers and try to improve the sim constantly is a significant part of the "whole" picture thing I'd always talked about.

 Westy
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« Reply #24 on: June 21, 2001, 12:29:00 PM »
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Gee your ignorance is your own personal bliss? Its funny how you jump on the bashing bandwagon. Pretty original   :rolleyes:

My ignorance, so I guess you somehow know what HTC models and what they don't?

You must be the most (un)intelligent person in the world.

"It feels, and I think, therefore it must be"
-SW
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« Reply #25 on: June 21, 2001, 12:31:00 PM »
Westy, my intent is certainly not to flame or discredit WW2OL.

I hope they make it; WW2 aviation is "my thing" and I'm "for" anyone trying to do it on a PC.

I'm just pointing out that, so far, NO ONE has got it right the first time out. Every such program undergoes continual revision, at least it does if the programmers are honest. Hoof is working on that stuff and anyone truly interested already knows that.
HTC continues to improve. Gotta love it, both cases.

Modeling flight (and particularly air combat) on a PC is a d*mnably difficult task. I salute all those who take a shot at it.
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« Reply #26 on: June 21, 2001, 01:02:00 PM »
SWulf it is very sad that you have such a close minded look at things. I have flown full acro in a wwii/50's naval trainer and X-plane simulates to the best of what I have ever seen on a 2d PC screen. Have you?

But take note that not anywhere in this post have I bashed aces, You on the other hand make a quick jump to express your own ingnorant/single focus rant about how I know nothing. It is your personal attack on me and your bashing of another program that is really lame.  

I pity you, I wonder how you view other things in life that you are not familiar with.  

Oh well feel what you wish, perhaps it will take time for you to understand what a suggestion/idea is.  
 -Deez out...
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« Reply #27 on: June 21, 2001, 01:10:00 PM »
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SWulf it is very sad that you have such a close minded look at things. I have flown full acro in a wwii/50's naval trainer <blah><blah><blah>. Have you?

HiTech has.  In a P-51.  Have you flown in a P-51?  I guess by your "I've flown in a plane so I'm more qualified to pronounce myself an expert" logic HT technically kicks your ass.

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« Reply #28 on: June 21, 2001, 01:12:00 PM »
BTW... thanks for the update Pyro.

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« Reply #29 on: June 21, 2001, 01:20:00 PM »
Ak.. I think you missed it.. Right over your head I guess. eh? you and SW know each other?  :)
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