Flight model stuff

[-lynx-]

goto www.x-plane.org  and download a P51 or any other WWII fighter and install it, then take off / normal/as well as any weather setup x-wind takeoff, etc..  

HT/Pyro - don't even think about it! It's evil, I tell ya!  ;)Get back to work you lazy gits! Keep on programming and debugging We love ya without daft x-planes  

[DeeZCamp]

hehe SW you are amazing, lol I wish I had your stroke of inability to understand what someone is saying. lol

I have flown the B-2 sim while I was in the airforce( and its multimillion$$ flight envelope is about 99.9999999999 percent of X-planes flight calculation.)

To make a comparison that is like saying X-plane is using the same Hi-fedelity flight characteristics as that hydraulically operated 5 ton monster our pilots train in before we let them in the real deal.

Like another Aces high user posted, the stalling charcteristics seem to be act strange.

As far as my expericence in flying REAL planes I have been up MANY times, in various aricraft and many versions of 152's/katanas/as well as a Naval trainer. Performing the manovers then making a comparision based on THOSE experiences.
 
What I see is that The flight envelope as well as the development of flight characteristics are differnet from what I have expericened.
  My sole comparison here is that X does it closer to what I have experienced in REALITY.
  X-plane, like in reality is more fluid, and very unpredictable. You do not get a feeling of riding on a rail through the virtual skies.

I wanted to make a 3rd party comparision as well so I downloaded the beta/trial version of WB3 and wow its horrible (the flight model that is)  It has nice eye candy, compariable to the likes of MSCFS, but as far as real world (simulated to the best as possible) Flight physics.. yuck

So heres my opinon take it leave it... X-plane has more fluid/dynamic (accurate flight envelope compared to Aces High,... And Aces High has a more fluid and Dynamic Flight model compared to War Birds.

okay start your flaming... lets see how many we can get in this time  

[-lynx-]

X-plane, like in reality is more fluid, and very unpredictable. You do not get a feeling of riding on a rail through the virtual skies.
 

Hmmm... No flame, just confusion. So, the real flying is unpredictable? I guess I need to sign my will tonight  ;)cuz I need to do some circuits tomorrow - haven't been up for a month.

Do x-planes have a demo thing? I want to try "unpredictable" flying. My personal grudge with all flight sims is that very "fluidity". I move a stick an inch in a real plane there's an instant and positive reaction - no mush! (not in a small planes anyway).

My personal grudge with you is that you have an issue in mind, and for whatever reason you want to bring it to the attention of a very busy person. Of all things, you chose to hijack his own thread on a totally different subject in his own bulletin board. Ever heard of e-mail?

Please go away and stop harrassing developers who maintain active and positive relationship with their customers. Let us silly spend our $30 bucks on AH. Surely since we are still here we think that on balance of things AH is better than anything else out there. Can't you get this simple thing? Or is it not modelled with the use of Blade Element Theory and thus is totally incomprehensible?

[Toad]

Deez,

Are you licensed yet? SEA only? Roughly how much time, if you don't mind my asking? Curious as to the experience level vs what you've been saying.

Thx.

[DmdNexus]

DeeZCamp

Congratz! You have effectively hi-jacked this thread from it's original discussion, and turned it into an X-Plane vs AH discussion. <S>

Personally, I'd rather hear what Pyro has to say about the changes he's doing to AH.

Just keep in mind that X-plane is SW too, it could have modeling errors just as well.

If you have specific RL data which points out problems with the current AH FM - by all means let's hear it.

Nexus    

[ 06-22-2001: Message edited by: DmdNexus ]

[funkedup]

Deez:  The flight envelopes of the planes you have time in are quite different from those of WWII fighters.  Can you even define the term "flight envelope"?  Can you show me where AH is faulty in this area?  I think you are just using big words that the X-Plane advertising hype machine has put in your mouth.

If you want to say that you like X-Plane better because it feels subjectively more natural to you, that's cool.  But don't try to dress it up in the clothes of a scientific argument, because it ain't.

[ 06-22-2001: Message edited by: funkedup ]

[DeeZCamp]

Sorry, Im not trying to change the total discussion of the topic sorry for that.. I am still awaiting for Pyro's response  

more to follow... please no one take this the wrong way.

[DeeZCamp]

hehe your funny Funked .. im not even going to bother answering that question.


Just go along with the others..  

[AKSWulfe]

Originally posted by funkedup:
Deez:  The flight envelopes of the planes you have time in are quite different from those of WWII fighters.  Can you even define the term "flight envelope"?  Can you show me where AH is faulty in this area?  I think you are just using big words that the X-Plane advertising hype machine has put in your mouth.

If you want to say that you like X-Plane better because it feels subjectively more natural to you, that's cool.  But don't try to dress it up in the clothes of a scientific argument, because it ain't.

You know I was getting to that, but he simply doesn't get it.

I just chalk it up to mis-education.
-SW

[F4UDOA]

Why are people attacking DeeZcamp for asking questions about the FM and how it compares to X-planes?

This isn't religion or politics guy's, if you want to flame take it to the off topic forum.

[AKSWulfe]

He's not asking questions, he's telling us.

I guess it's all in how you want to read it.
-SW

[Checksix]

i want to ask a really dumb question to ezcamp

to me fm means a radio frequency.  

but how would you know that Xplane is more accurate than AH if none of them publishes there specs?

with no way of comparing one set of specs used for any plane to the others approach, isnt the entire argument subjective?

if wb, xplane, ah, fa, aw and all of these games made public their flight models than someone might be able to talk intelligent bout this stuff....

until then, i get get nauseous reading all of this and it just makes great fodder for the 3000 plus poster boys  

[AKDejaVu]

i want to ask a really dumb question to ezcamp
to me fm means a radio frequency.

but how would you know that Xplane is more accurate than AH if none of them publishes there specs?

with no way of comparing one set of specs used for any plane to the others approach, isnt the entire argument subjective?

if wb, xplane, ah, fa, aw and all of these games made public their flight models than someone might be able to talk intelligent bout this stuff....

until then, i get get nauseous reading all of this and it just makes great fodder for the 3000 plus poster boys  

Thus your quest to jump in and emulate them <us>.    Someday take the time to read your own post.  I fail to see that little number at the bottom of it makes it any less nausiating than anyone elses.

AKDejaVu

[ 06-22-2001: Message edited by: AKDejaVu ]

[DmdNexus]

Really guys, stop attacking DeeZCamp.

He just wanted Pyro to compare X-plane to AH.

IMHO, his comment might have been more effective and germane to this discussion if he had:
1. Done the comparison himself,
2. Recorded the specific differences,
3. Backed that up with RL factual data,
4. and then published the results.

Nah... that's too much trouble...

"the NIKI FM is porked!!"  

"We are the knights that say NIKI!"  
"Arggggh! Don't say that word"
"What word?"
"I dunno"
"Any way, the the NIKI FM..."
"Arrrggggh! don't say that word"

Nexus    

[DeeZCamp]

<S> DMDneXus  

Remeber those n1k figts the other night?