Author Topic: Flight model stuff (Read 2150 times)

Pyro · « **on:** June 20, 2001, 11:58:00 PM »

I've had a number of issues I've need to address for awhile and I'm trying to get them in now before the next release. Only in the order I remember them, they are:

N1K2- sorry but before I discuss this I must digress. I am not generally anal about plane designations or nicknames. It's not important to me that this plane be referred to as an N1K2-J or Shiden-kai. N1K, N1K2, George, Shiden, it's all understood I'll interchange them whenever. However, I must admit a certain irritation with the moniker "Niki". I think this was born in AW which I presume had an N1K1-J and that must have been translated to "Niki" in some sort of pig-133t fashion. I really despise that term for some reason. It's like fingernails on a chalkboard to me. It actually makes me cringe at times. I don't know why this is, it's not something obvious like I knew someone named Nikki that I couldn't stand. Now I'm no fool. I wouldn't divulge this information under the naive presumption that people will stop referring to it by that infernal name. I know the opposite is true. But that's not my purpose, for I am just venting. I'm immune to this irritation here because it's like the constant ringing in my ears. I don't notice it. Niki reads N1K1 to me and I just translate that to mean N1K2 on a subconscious level. When I hear it called "Niki" in person, that's when it's irritating to me. Might as well replace that word with a fart and it would be about the same to me. Dale refers to it that way all the time to me, but he's the only one I have to hear it from. Call it what you want though, it won't make my day or ruin it either way.

Digression aside- there are some issues with N1K2 flight modeling that require some further work and changes.

F4U- The -1C is definately underweight. There's some other performance issues that need to be looked at as well, but the weight issue is a known factor and will finally be fixed.

P-47D-11 is underweight and that will be changed. A prop change is not planned at this point as I really don't want to do 8 variants of the P-47.

Flaps- there's some issues with flaps that needs to be looked into. Results and possible action pending further investigation.

Stalls- similar to flaps but more aircraft specific.

Some stuff is cut and dry, other stuff isn't. So keep in mind that there is no outcome until there is an outcome.

DeeZCamp · « **Reply #1 on:** June 21, 2001, 12:16:00 AM »

Heya pyro, what do you think about putting/using X-planes Blade Element Theory for the way AH determines Flight characteristics.?

I think if you guys havnt already checked it out (x-plane) that is, you should

www.x-plane.com

Now dont get me wrong, by me suggesting this, I am not putting down Aces, I just feel that realtime - on the fly flight characteristcs would alleviate alot of the data table stuff.

I also guess that this would require drastic change to the current source code also.. so Its understood why it wouldnt be implemented.

Anyway, check it out.. and please dont Flame me for this. thanx...
-DeeZ out

SirLoin · « **Reply #2 on:** June 21, 2001, 12:17:00 AM »

Great stuff Pyro!Looking forward to next patch..Now about damage modeling..Any chance we might get engine overheat/damage when you run into the red for too long?<S!>

Pyro · « **Reply #3 on:** June 21, 2001, 12:50:00 AM »

Not to flame you, but I have no idea what you're talking about and suspect you don't either. This is not the first time I've seen you make this assertion about our flight model and yet I have no idea where you come up with this or why you would think it. You just assert it as factual. What is the basis of your statement?

Zigrat · « **Reply #4 on:** June 21, 2001, 01:01:00 AM »

hey pyro nice work looking forward to it

you still have the #1 flight model in the industry

<S>

Spatula · « **Reply #5 on:** June 21, 2001, 01:30:00 AM »

Can we call em Nikz then?? or niks

SOB · « **Reply #6 on:** June 21, 2001, 01:36:00 AM »

Cool news! Any idea on whether or not you'll be modeling the automatic flap system of the George and getting rid of the manual control of them?

SOB

BTW...Nice rant!

Hamish · « **Reply #7 on:** June 21, 2001, 02:26:00 AM »

Why do i get this strange urge to type "Niki" over and over again?

Hamish!

P.S. Sounds great, can't wait for it!

MANDOBLE · « **Reply #8 on:** June 21, 2001, 03:55:00 AM »

Pyro, this is the most hopeful post I've seen in months. Not because plane A or plane B are going to be resived, but just because this proves there is some kind of "fine-tuning" politic. And IMO, fine-tuning what we already have is 10 times more important than 10 new planes.

This post is also great because Pyro answered directly to someone that proposed something related directly to the FM in general. This kind of answers (aside of the precission used) are, IMO, really important to spread some light over more or less popular demands.

Having 1000 planes and 2000 customers whining about them with no answer is really a product-hurting situation. Having only 50 planes and having the customers "convinced" they are right modeled is, IMO, the way to go.

Using 10 mins a day to answer the customer concerns about FM/GM is, for sure, a great investment.

Jekyll · « **Reply #9 on:** June 21, 2001, 04:02:00 AM »

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Digression aside- there are some issues with N1K2 flight modeling that require some further work and changes.

LOL

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F4U- The -1C is definately underweight. There's some other performance issues that need to be looked at as well, but the weight issue is a known factor and will finally be fixed.

LOL squared

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you still have the #1 flight model in the industry

Which flight model? The 1.03 FM? The 1.04 FM? The 1.08FM? The 1.10FM?

Sounds like AH is aiming to have the #1, #2, #3, #4 & #5 flight model in the industry

Hristo · « **Reply #10 on:** June 21, 2001, 04:44:00 AM »

Please look into rollrates, particularly 190s and Spits.

And fix the 109 (if it somehow needs to be fixed

).

Wilbus · « **Reply #11 on:** June 21, 2001, 05:11:00 AM »

Reason the N1K2 (was Ilong time since I wrote that) Is being refered to Niki is (IMO) Pure speed. When you're in the middle of a fight and wanna say a N1K2 is inbound, it's alot faster tp type Niki, N, I, K are very close to eachother on the keyboard while N, 1, K and 2 a far away, takes more time to move your hand (I have short fingers and small hands, I can't reach it if I don't move the hand). This is the only reason I type Niki, and it's allways been my belife that it's for speed purpose.

Anything new about 190 A's 1 hit engine kill?

F4UDOA · « **Reply #12 on:** June 21, 2001, 08:56:00 AM »

Does this mean that the early F4U-1 might get done this version??

Westy MOL · « **Reply #13 on:** June 21, 2001, 09:08:00 AM »

Jekyll, if ya severed the account why not sever the link to here too? The WW2O masses on the Playnet boards await your wit and superior intellect!

Thanks for the news Pyro!

Westy

batdog · « **Reply #14 on:** June 21, 2001, 10:26:00 AM »

All I can say is... WOOOT! This post is great. Thank you Pyro for coming out and telling us this info. I wonder if you know how much this means to certain ones of us?

xBAT