How about the Spit Mk14 (XIV)

[niklas]

Kieren, bleeding E has nothing to do with turnrate, radius etc. After 1 full circle with 4-5 G you´re near a sustained turn with every AC here in AH. The spit has maybe a better sustained turn, but will loose speed quicker if you start to turn from higher speeds.

climb to 10000ft (100%fuel), dive down to 450mph at sealevel, when you´ve  slowed down to 400mph begin a constant 4G turn - after 360° turn the mc205 will come out with ~260mph, the spit with 220mph (use trim to hold 4G).

accerlate at sealevel to 300mph and repeat the turn with constant 3G- the mc will leave the circle with ~210-220mph, the spit with 180mph

Don´t believe it? test it. Takes only 15minutes to do it!

niklas

[This message has been edited by niklas (edited 05-02-2000).]

[StSanta]

funked, I agree with you, it should hold e a good bit better, but the difference is quite noticeably. As you, I am not qualified in commenting the correctness of how it is now, but my subjective opinion based on what *ive read of anecdotes is that they hold it a little too well.



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[Vermillion]

Santa, if you think the Spit in AH is bad about E retention, you should have flown against them in WB's.

It was much much much worse. It was so bad that the common joke was that the eliptical wings of a Spitfire were actually anti-gravity devices, looted from a crashed UFO.

Not saying your wrong, not at all, just saying it has been alot worse in the past.

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[Kieren]

Niklas-

I used a very simplified example to illustrate my point, and admittedly am no aeronautic engineer, but...

Speed=energy. Control deflection creates drag, bleeding speed (as does a high angle of attack and high G). If your argument is that the Spitfire loses energy more quickly through control deflection and high angle of attack than does the 205, I will have to test it to prove it. A properly trimmed Spitfire just seems to go forever in any attitude (don't believe me? Fly Jase).

What about slow speed? Admittedly the Spit may just be a better slow speed machine than the 205, but I'm pretty sure the 205 is not a better E machine than the Spit IX.

[StSanta]

Vermillion:

Ach! Sounds like WB overmodelled them to the point of no fun, almost.



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