explain this

[Zigrat]

either our f4u is too bad or our p51 is too good?
 http://people.ne.mediaone.net/jandkh/page1.html

[Andy Bush]

Outstanding stuff! How do you find this type of material?

Andy

[juzz]

Its a USN test. They were biased by the blue paint, radial engine, and the large, manly stature of the Corsair.  

[bolillo_loco]

that test is easy to explain. look at what all was done to the corsair.

1: the corsair is a F4U-1 it pulls 65" mp instead of 59.5" so it has a power advantage over a stock corsair.

2 the aircraft was specially prepaired. it had the gap in the wing faired over and special attention was given to the engine cowling fit. tail hook was removed. if they were willing to admit these perks, how many others did they do with out saying what they did to them?

I am sure the 51 even had some perks done to it.

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[Rocket]

But they also had the second F4U-1A with no mods running production stats against the pristine 1B stang.  The way I read it both F4Us had advantages over the 1B stang and is noted to be a better gun platform ;p

S!
Rocket

[F4UDOA]

The mod in the F4U-1 was to simulate the F4U-4 suface finish and higher manifold pressure. The P-51B performance was right on the money with no "perks" done to it.

Side note, this report was given to me by Francis Dean Author of "America's Hundred Thousand". He is a neighbor of mine and a heck of a nice guy. He also gave me the F4U/F6F vs FW190 report.

[brady]

America's Hundred Thousand, this is one of the BEST book's I have ever read on WW2 aircraft,I am always pulling it out and looking at it.
 
 F4UDOA,sir if u get a chance thank him ,for such a fine work, for me i will enjoy it for years to come.


        Brady


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[bolillo_loco]

take a look at those speeds of the P-51B/C in aht and then look at the A/C's weights. you will notice the lighter the plane the faster they went. the 51B/C that weighed around 9,600 was about 15 mph slower at altitude than the other two 51B/Bs that were lightened for the test.

[-lazs-]

loco.. it was common practice to remove the tailhook on corsairs since they were used as land based planes at first.   Many goodyear Hogs didn't even have the heavy wing folding mech.   Imagine how much better they handled.  Face it... the Hog was one of, if not the best, fighter of the war.  It was at the very least the most versitile.  Your silly prejedice is so apparent and unfounded that it is laughable.   The corsair really shines in any real life side by side comparrison tests I have ever seen.   If you read those tests and the one that TAIC did against other U.S. planes and a captured Zero the picture becomes even more clear.    
lazs

[Badboy]

Aces High F4U1C v P51D at Sea Level, 25% fuel and both on full military power.

   

Badboy

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[bolillo_loco]

no I think it is common around here to make the corsair super to its highest numbers found. when you find a report that says the F4U-1 does 440 mph and then say this is how it should be modeled to represent a normal corsair that is laughable. then you down play and minimize the modes done to the corsair. " it was normal practice to remove the tail hook" like that was the only thing they did to that plane.

what is laughable is how 5 of you want the corsair modeled. If you want corsairs modeled to their highest numbers, then all the other planes should also be this way, but this is not so.

this will come back to haunt you. I have seen it at other sims. model planes that are not popular so that they dont even meet their lowest published figures, then model the favorites to slightly above their highest figures. everybody looses intrest but a few people.

[juzz]

It says 436mph - looks like you're the one inflating the figures...

[bolillo_loco]

you guys kill me, anybody that asks any question as to why the planes you dislike does this he is attacked, ask a question why your favorite plane is modeled to its highest figures and he is attacked again.

dont be supprised when there are only 5-10 of you guys playing cause the corsair F4U-1 does 440 or 436 what ever you choose and just flies circles around every plane here and people are tired of yet another biased sim.

there has never been even a decent attempt to explain why the 38 spins out and does it worse than the other planes here, nor why it doesnt even achieve its lowest speed or rate of climb as per ath.

also for those of you out there who are affraid to challenge these people and their inflated figures for corsairs, do it on your own. I get tired of icqs and e-mails cause you are scared to oppose these guys. there is really no point. they will model their plane what ever way they want.

[juzz]

NONE OF US CHOOSE THE PLANES!

NONE OF US MODEL THE PLANES!

PYRO DOES!

WE DON'T!

IS THAT CLEAR?!

[-lynx-]

Nah juzz - you've lost me round about line 3... Try using shorter words... it may hel..