If I liked Luftwaffe Aircraft

[RAM]

 

Originally posted by Jekyll:
Pongo, AFAIK the A8 we have in AH is the Sturm model, extra armour and no MW50.

Funked is well aware of that, in fact, HE brought it to my attention.

So we have a purely anti-buff A8 trying to do the air-superiority dance in Aces High.

Like I said, I continue to be amazed that it does as well in the stats .... must be some durn fine 190 pilots out there.  Imagine them in a MW50 A8 or (god-forbid) a D9!

Hehe time for PILL_MAN coming!!!  

Jekyll in answer to your fears, Fw190A8 does so well in MA because JG2 flies it with regular timing (I do it all time), and the few people outside us that does it so are rel hotsticks (MANDOBLE, Pongo, Funked...sometimes  , Trimmer...)

The plane is a pig. But is flown by heartly 190 lovers. If you give us the A5...hehehehe we are going to hear some serious whinin on MA...and if you give us MW50 to A8 the cries are going to be louder than Cannonhawg's whines  

D9 will be a loooong wait. But when I start to catch runnin mustangs it will make good the awaiting  

[Citabria]

at least the g6 in AH is the standard issue 109g6, not the rare hot rod converted one.

thats good to know for scenarios where you actually try to replay historical events.

[RAM]

 

Originally posted by Citabria:
at least the g6 in AH is the standard issue 109g6, not the rare hot rod converted one.

thats good to know for scenarios where you actually try to replay historical events.

I understand what you say Citabria,and strange as it is I agree with you  .

I think the best choice should be what I stated some time before, make Boosters an option to be chosen in Hangars, not an standard plane modelled around it.

I know it would be more workload for Pyro, but I think the results would be worth the time spent.

[Pongo]

I agree with ya too Cit. I really dont want to get rid of the vanila G6-AM. They definatly had the varios boost systems available though.
I never knew befor this post that all BF109g6-as versions had the g10ish nose and the tall tail.
Well I definatly want the bump nose 109 so I guess we stay with the one we have. Hope they hadnt allready started the AS artwork.....
Pyro chose very well with the planes he chose for the game so far. Except for one. I think HT put him up to that one.

So I guess Funked stomped on the 103 gondola I requested. I cant do without my bump nosed 109 so the AS is canceled. The MW50 for the 190A8 is not a go for some reason. I still dont understand that one really.
Oh well. I guess I will weuger on with what I have and hope that the A5 gets the kind of generosity that went into the SpitVb Flight model.
Lots of good info in the two related posts. Thanks Funked and all for the effort.



>[This message has been edited by Pongo (edited 05-27-2000).]

[funked]

Pongo, sorry I am so grumpy...

The MK 103 installation has been a favorite of mine since I built a Monogram 1/48 Fw 190 as a kid that had the MK 103 as an option.  When I started flying Warbirds, I couldn't understand why we didn't have it in the game, so I went on a hunt.  And I found both US and German authors saying the MK 103 was on just a few planes that were modified and tested in Germany, and not found satisfactory, so the project was cancelled.  The rockets were a winner though, see the other thread I started about that.

About MW 50 on the Fw 190A, it's been a personal crusade of mine to try to find some solid information on it, so we could get in Warbirds.  I've bought all kinds of books, gone to the USAF historical archives, talked with a guy who went through the RAE archives.  And all I've been able to find is a couple of prototypes.  No flight test data, no information on production numbers and dates, no Rustsatz number and no engine data other than a 2100 hp claim (which is sometimes also applied for the D-9 which has a completely different engine).

The thing that clinched it for me is the A-8 handbook - it goes into detail on the boost systems.  There was a supplemental petrol injection system that was referred to in the past tense, a boost override system (which gave equivalent performance to the supplemental petrol injection), and a GM-1 system.  The boost override gives the performance that some authors attribute to the MW 50 system.  And the GM-1 system matches the physical description that some authors give for the MW 50 system.

I'm pretty sure that somewhere along the line, somebody (RAF, Jane's?) mixed up MW 50 with one of the other boost systems, a few authors used this information in their books, and here we are...

I'm still talking with some guys from Ruy Horta's 12 O'Clock High board about the subject, maybe we'll find something.

I haven't tested the AH Fw 190A-8 above 8km to see if it performs like a GM 1 plane.  That might be something to ask Pyro for.  No production figures on that one, but it was common enough to merit a Rustatz number (R4), and there are records for many prototypes with that system.  Also it helps the 190A in an area where it is truly deficient - fighting above 25,000 feet.

[Pongo]

You wherent grumpy Funked. I was behaving exactly the way you described. And often will.
The 103 is also in the Dragon 190A8 kit. The one with the picture of Priller wacking a 51d over the landing beaches...
Good luck with your search.

[funked]

I guess I mean I'm sorry for jumping on your post like that, shooting down your ideas so fast.  If they weren't interesting ideas that were fun to discuss I wouldn't have been so eager.