I have reached a depressing (for me) conclusion...

[popeye]

Just start serving realistic food in the Brit's mess hall, and NO ONE will want to fly Spits.  

popeye

[juzz]

Once again... If HTC added the Spitfire Mk XIV, F4U-4, P-47M, Fw 190D-9, Tempest Mk V and La-7 all in one version - which one do you think you would see the most of in the arena? Hell, throw in the F8F too.

[Vermillion]

Juzz, even if you introduced every single one of them at the same time, most people would fly the Spit MkXIV

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Vermillion
**MOL**, Men of Leisure

[juzz]

Until they realise they have to climb to 25k to be faster than anything else, where they will proceed to be BnZ'd by hordes of Jug groupies in their P-47M's...  

[Westy]

 Amen Juzz!!   <Westy genuflects at the utterance of  the "M")

 

[Karnak]

juzz,
All of those aircraft except the Fw190D-9 (I don't know enough about the La-7) fall into my category of "Should not be introduced as non-perks".  Why?  Because they would all completely negate the earlier aircraft in their line.  Why fly and P-47D-30 when you can grab a P-47M or an F4U-1 when you can grab an F4U-4?  I don't think that they should be introduced as non-perks even if they were introduced simultaneously.

I have to agree with Vermillion on what would be flown.  Assuming they don't add the F4U-4C, it would be mostly Spit XIVs and Tempests.  The P-47M just doesn't offer enough to make it easy for your average pilot.  You still can't turn with the Spit or Tempest and while you're faster, you're not that much faster.  If the speed made that much of a difference people would be flocking to the current P-47, rather than the Spitfire MkIX (easier for new players) or the F4U-1C (the equivilent to the F4U-4C in our current plane-set), but the're not.

Hristo,
 

Originally posted by Karnak (me) in the first post of this thread:
(Meteor is here to add depth to late war RAF fighters, not to impinge on the aircraft of the country so beloved of the LW fans{BTW, Meteor WAS the first combat jet in active service by 1 week, Me262 WAS the first jet to see actual combat and by a lot more than a week})

I placed this chunk of text in my original post just for you.  Apparently it wasn't enough.  I already answered your question, but I'll do it again.  Perhaps I should have eleborated what I meant by "by a lot more than a week".  What I meant was by more than 3 years.
You really need to come to terms with the existance of the Meteor, Hristo.  The mention of it gets you to bite like mentioning the MkXIV used to get RAM to bite.

Sisu
-Karnak


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[juzz]

So IOW; the arena would remain the same, except that the numbers after the plane names would be higher...

[Karnak]

juzz,
Except that things like the C.202, Bf109F-4, A6M5b and Spitfire MkVb would be even less competitive.

Sisu
-Karnak

[Pongo]

I think lots of people would be estatic with the Spit XVI.
But whatever.

[juzz]

Yep, a Merlin 66(Or Packard-Merlin 266) engined Spitfire would be more competitive at low altitude than the current Merlin 61 F.IX. Maximum climbrate somewhere in the region of 4500-4800fpm.  

Plus, it could bring a Canadian/Australian/Sth African, etc. marked plane into AH.

[Zigrat]

in what performance area is a yak 9u better than a spit XIV?

[Nath-BDP]

dive

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[Nashwan]

Would the Tempest be any more Uber than the F4U1-C?
I don't know enough about the performance of the 2 planes to judge, but it seems to me the Tempest would be a bit faster, but not have any other clear performance advantages.
Can someone please tell me why the Tempest is too good when the Hog isn't?

[Karnak]

Nashwan,
Tempest will easily out run and out climb an F4U-1C at the altitudes where most fighting occurs.  The fastest "down low" aircraft we have is the Typhoon at about 375 on the deck.  The much requested Fw190D-9 with MW50 will do 380 on the deck.  The Tempest will do 400 on the deck.
It has 4 Hispano MkV cannon as opposed to 4 Hispano MkII cannon, admittedly with less ammo.
At worst, its manueverability would be about the same, except it would accelerate much better.

Those are the reasons why the Tempest would be too powerful.

In my opinion the Tempest would be more imbalancing than the Spitfire MkXIV and I continue to think it silly that the LW fans are suggesting that the RAF receive Tempests as our late war fighter.  The whinning about Tempest dweebs that would follow the introduction of the Tempest into AH would be deafening.

As I stated in my first post, I do not believe that there is a true (not a slight refinement of a 1942 aircraft) late war (1944) RAF aircraft that should be added to AH.  Thay are all too good for the current planeset and to bring the rest of the planeset up to their level would mean the absolute obsoletence of the Bf109F-4, Spitfire MkVb, C.202 and A6M5b as well as any similar aircraft.

So bring on the Spitfire MkXVI, Mosquito B.MkIX, Mosquito FB.MkVI and Hurricane MkIIa and IIc.

Sisu
-Karnak

[funked]

Juzz said:    

If HTC added the Spitfire Mk XIV, F4U-4, P-47M, Fw 190D-9, Tempest Mk V and La-7 all in one version - which one do you think you would see the most of in the arena? Hell, throw in the F8F too.

I think you'd continue to see a good mixture.  Those planes are all monsters and would be very competitive with each other.  Dogfighting in those babies would be a blast.  Anybody who doesn't see this fact probably needs to learn more about these planes.

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