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« Reply #60 on: October 20, 2000, 05:46:00 PM »
Nath-BDP said:
> are you joking? F4U1 1942? F4U1 scored its
> first kill on Febuary 14th 1943 with VMF 124.

and  

> P38 August 42.

"On June 30, 1941, an initial contract for 584 F4U1's was signed and the first PRODUCTION aircraft appeared on October 30 of the following year." (that's 1942)

I am working off the date that REAL production airframes were on hand.

"...210 P-38E's (the first major production version, with heavier armament and IN SERVICE [caps mine] from November 1941.)..."  

That's what the book said, so that's what I said.

< and I said GOOD, all those pre-41 planes you
> mentioned are outclassed by the 109E or Spit1.

That is what a full plane set will prove, till then, all that our guesswork is "full of sound and fury, signifying nothing". Used properly a P-40B or Wildcat is a good fighting machine.
Ask the Finns about one or two of the others :-)

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« Reply #61 on: October 20, 2000, 06:15:00 PM »
Vermillion,

With those stats, I wouldn't have any thing against the La7.

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« Reply #62 on: October 20, 2000, 09:29:00 PM »
Umm... go by when it first saw service, that works better.

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« Reply #63 on: October 20, 2000, 09:31:00 PM »
 
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That is what a full plane set will prove, till then, all that our guesswork is "full of sound and fury, signifying nothing". Used properly a P-40B or Wildcat is a good fighting machine.
Ask the Finns about one or two of the others :-)

And the 109E used properly is the best fighting machine.

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« Reply #64 on: October 20, 2000, 09:36:00 PM »
Adolf galland flew both the me-262 and the gloster meteor(argentinian airforce)

his comment was he liked the me-262 better it handled better only the engines of the meteor where better.

It was today on discovery channel the highest number in fighteroperations used was 59 crates for 7 days or so it shot down 700 allies. It was a very misused plane .It's engines where very unreliable and could set on fire hen opening the throtle too suddenly.

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« Reply #65 on: October 20, 2000, 09:58:00 PM »
The more things change, the more they stay the same.

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« Reply #66 on: October 20, 2000, 11:10:00 PM »
The first "GOOD" US plane was given to the RAF in February 1942. Is that early enough?

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« Reply #67 on: October 20, 2000, 11:19:00 PM »
Early war is 39-40

Mid 41-43

Late 44-45

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« Reply #68 on: October 21, 2000, 02:52:00 AM »
Nath-BDP said:
>Early war is 39-40

PRE-WAR and START- 35-38 overall, U.S. view 38 to 41.

EARLY- 39-41 overall, U.S. view 41 to mid 42

> Mid 41-43

MIDDLE- 42 to mid/late 43 overall, U.S. view mid 43 to late 44

> Late 44-45

LATE- 44 to mid 45 overall, U.S. view late 44 to late 45.

We all have our own thoughts, and the one that counts is the game developer's. I'm a Yank, so I see through a Yank's eyes. If we all use dates, some of the "fog of war" fades.

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« Reply #69 on: October 21, 2000, 05:34:00 AM »
Early war aircraft are a given. We'll see most all of them in due time, but currently we're stuck with a lateish war plane set. You won't see any Polish PZL P.7 or P.11c aircraft, since everything older than a 109B can kill it. Again, it's about balance. The MA could get Me-262s, Meteors, Ta-152s, Tempest Vs, Spit XIVs, P-51Hs; every aircraft made in 1945. You know what? Aside from historical nuts like us, not a peepe would be raised. The MA isn't a historical match arena [I shot down an Fw-190A5 in a Bf-109 G6 yesterday] it's simply a free for all. 3 on 3 with no holds bared.

If we ever got a Historical Arena, I'd be standing right here screaming for an RPS. Only aircraft from one country, per country [Rooks are Allied, Bishs are German, Knights are Russian]. Yes I classify Russians as another side. Until something along these lines happens, we're stuck. You'll see A6M2s trying to down P-47Ds, maybe even JS-II tanks rolling over a Panzer III. Who knows.

So for right now HTC is filling the plane/vehicle set. The Navy shows up in 1.05 along with a host of new targets and challenges. We'll see ships and carrier-based aircraft first, then most likely one new aircraft, vehicle, ship, ground target, and whatever else per version. Or HTC might put in vehicles, ships, and ground targets in one version, and three or four aircraft in the next.

It's all up in the air.




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« Reply #70 on: October 21, 2000, 05:40:00 AM »
I really understand why HTC doenst put a historical arena (two arenas will drop the numbers on MA and that's not good for HTC).

But it is sorely missed.  

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« Reply #71 on: October 21, 2000, 06:04:00 AM »
quite frankly this is just ANOTHER argument about the same thing.."I want my favourite ride to make me king of the arena"
The MA is like the WWF, a bit of everything and it ain't terribly real.
Perhaps when there are more fleshed out a/c and earlier war types..then we could see a proper Historical Arena..with 2-3 sides Allied (or even just RAF till '41 planeset), German, and Japanese.
I would rather see a real historical planeset (marked with something more than just stars'n'bars or black crosses..like a RNZAF marked Avenger,SBD,P-40,F4u!)than a mess of exotics in that arena.
But till then the MA could be a collection of misfits. It wouldnt bother me if there was a whole arena of SpitXIV's or Ta-152, as long as I knew one day something new was on the horizon to counter it..like an Arado 234B,or B-29   )
After all "historically" plenty of novices were given exotic rides..but doesn't mean they lasted long in them!

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« Reply #72 on: October 21, 2000, 12:51:00 PM »
I agree RAM.  If we had the aircraft modeled, I would LOVE to see a historical arena with a rolling planeset (I know many, MANY people loathe rolling planesets).

Ah well.

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« Reply #73 on: October 21, 2000, 10:35:00 PM »
The problem with the RPS is that it provides historical matchups but with no limits on proportion. Ie: WarBirds' infamous "jet day".

Imagine what will happen in the middle of 1942 along comes that first "good" US plane in RAF markings. The Luftwhiners will be working overtime!