Author Topic: I have reached a depressing (for me) conclusion... (Read 1727 times)

StSanta · « **Reply #45 on:** October 18, 2000, 06:16:00 AM »

flakbait:

The Meteor was an inferior plane to the ME-262 in all regards except engine longevity. At least according to the documentaries I've seen on the thing. British pilots who'd flown both said the ME-262's flight performance was way better suited for air combat than the Meteor's.

I'll go look for comparisons on the net, I'm sure the data is available somewhere.

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Vermillion · « **Reply #46 on:** October 18, 2000, 07:13:00 AM »

Take any perk plane you wish (as long as its period).

Me I will take the F2G Super Corsair.

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**MOL**, Men of Leisure

Karnak · « **Reply #47 on:** October 18, 2000, 10:07:00 AM »

Nothing that anybody has said has changed my opinion. The following aircraft should not be added, and based on HiTech's description of the perk system, I don't think that they should be added as perks either.

IMHO, the following aircraft should not be added to AH.

P-80
P-51H
P-47M
F4U-4
F7F
F8F
B-29

Spitfire F.MkXIV
Tempest MkV
Meteor MkIII

Ta152
Me262
Ar234
Do335
Me163

La-7

I have no problem with the Fw190D-9 with MW50 being added, but I don't think anything beyond it should be. It is quite likely that the Fw190D-9 would be the best MA fighter. No Italian or Japanese aircraft are listed on my "should not be added" list because I have not heard of a Italian or Japanese aircraft that would be imbalancing.

Sisu
-Karnak

Vermillion · « **Reply #48 on:** October 18, 2000, 11:19:00 AM »

Why the La7 ?

Its top speed, its SL speed, its climbrate, its accelerations, its handling, firepower, and all other aspects, fall within what is considered "normal" within the arena's currently.

I don't see whats uber about it in the least.

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**MOL**, Men of Leisure

Citabria · « **Reply #49 on:** October 18, 2000, 12:12:00 PM »

spit LF Mk. IX

MC202 · « **Reply #50 on:** October 18, 2000, 03:27:00 PM »

Karnak said:
Member

> No Italian or Japanese aircraft are listed
> on my "should not be added" list because I
> have not heard of a Italian or Japanese
> aircraft that would be imbalancing.

> Sisu
> -Karnak

For the end of the war you are right, but in mid '43 the Re2005 would be hard to beat. As close to "uber" or "perk" for the late war would be the Re2007, prototype not finished, or the Umbra M.B. 902, prototype not finished.

The Re2007 was a jet (following the Italian engine import theme, a German one) single seat fighter.
YEAR: 1945
WINGSPAN: 9,50 m
LENGTH: 9 m
MAX SPEED: 1050 km/h
ARMAMENT : 4 x 20 mm cannons

The Umbra M.B. 902

YEAR: 1944
WINGSPAN: 47feet 1 1/4"
LENGTH: 47 feet
MAX SPEED: 429 mph
ARMAMENT :two 20mm cannon, four 12.5mgs in the nose

MC202
DIno in Reno

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Graywolf · « **Reply #51 on:** October 20, 2000, 11:44:00 AM »

I'm confused =(

Why is everyone so obsessed with late war planes. I would much rather see 109-E Spitfire MkI Hurricane MkI, Blenheim, Wellington, etc.

Maybe I'm missing things.

Maybe they won't get much use in the main arena as it stands, but I for one would really like to see something like WarBirds Historic Arena which was great fun.

Oh and when it comes to being effective in the current main arena, I'm currently flying the Spitfire MkV in preference to the MkIX, it's much more effective, especially against MkIXs

Nath-BDP · « **Reply #52 on:** October 20, 2000, 11:54:00 AM »

No good american planes for early-war... thats why theres no early war planeset here.

juzz · « **Reply #53 on:** October 20, 2000, 12:32:00 PM »

La-7 should already be here. Get a clue Karnak.

Karnak · « **Reply #54 on:** October 20, 2000, 12:54:00 PM »

About the La7,

All I know about it is what has been posted here, which has been along the lines of "Just wait till we get the La7, it'll wipe the floor with your planes". I was looking for a non-German, non-American and non-British plane to include in the list.

If that is not accurate, and it would be competitive with the P-51D and Fw190D-9, but no more, I see no reason not to have it.

I see no reason to insult me over it.

Sisu
-Karnak

MC202 · « **Reply #55 on:** October 20, 2000, 02:33:00 PM »

Nath-BDP said:
Member

> No good american planes for early-war...
> thats why theres no early war planeset here.

Hum, P-35 (1938), P-36 (1938), P-40A/B (1940), F2A/A2 (1939), P-39 (1941), P-38D/E (1941), F4F-2/3 (1940),F4U-1 (1942 o.k.a bit late).
How early do you want?

MC202 (glad to meet a Bf109D/E/F in most of the above)
Dino in Reno

bloom25 · « **Reply #56 on:** October 20, 2000, 03:02:00 PM »

The la7 was basically just a lightened la5 with an extra 20mm. This gave it some 8 mph better top speed and a little extra firepower. Currently the la5 is little used (I use it A LOT though). The la5 below 10k is an amazing aircraft which can outclimb and outaccelerate all but the g10. (It's very close though.) It can turn pretty well and its rate of roll is above average. Basically it's an ideal low altitude interceptor. It's main weakness is aiming difficulties, visibility, and ammo load. Landing a snapshot is basically shooting blind, due to the long nose. Compared to most other planes, it's 2 20mm with 200 rpg is average at best. I fly it because of the surprise factor; not many people have fought against it and are unaware of it's acceleration and climb down low. It's also quite tough, I once absorbed a 30mm from a 109 directly into the nose and survived. I then proceeded to shoot the 109 down in 2 turns. The la7 is, at best, on par with the majority of the planes in the arena already.

(I'm actually surprised the la7 hasn't been added already, it would be an easy one for HTC to do.)

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THUNDERBIRDS

Nath-BDP · « **Reply #57 on:** October 20, 2000, 03:30:00 PM »

are you joking? F4U1 1942? F4U1 scored its first kill on Febuary 14th 1943 with VMF 124.

Kenneth Walsh.

and I said GOOD, all those pre-41 planes you mentioned are outclassed by the 109E or Spit1.

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Nath-BDP · « **Reply #58 on:** October 20, 2000, 03:38:00 PM »

P38 August 42.

Vermillion · « **Reply #59 on:** October 20, 2000, 05:03:00 PM »

Karnak, given Pyro's past modeling decisions on Soviet aircraft, expect the La7 to look something like this.

Speed at SL: 380.9 mph
Speed at Alt: 410.7 mph at 19,750 ft.
Climb to 5k meters (16,400ft): 5.1 mins
Service Ceiling: 37,000 ft
Turn Time: 20.5 seconds
Armament: either x2 (or x3) 20mm ShVak Cannons (B-20 cannons)

The La7 is literally a La5FN that is aerodynamically cleaner, and its within 100 pounds gross loadout of the La5FN depending on loadout. Other than a change to its max speed, and the additional armament option, it should be identical to our existing La5FN.

An Uber Perk Plane? I think not.

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Vermillion
**MOL**, Men of Leisure