Author Topic: Suggestions for AH early war planes. What we want? (Read 1012 times)

janjan · « **Reply #15 on:** October 30, 2001, 02:51:00 AM »

Bah, and from what source is it that people dislike RPS?

I for one would just love it and so would a lot of people I know in AH.

gatt · « **Reply #16 on:** October 30, 2001, 04:34:00 AM »

The RPS is not a bad idea per se. Stupid RPS are bad ideas. We need a good plane set before even thinking about an RPS. I remember Warbirds days when the 109F had to fight against the Spitfire IX

BTW, I'm sure a lot of people here would fly Wildcat's, P40's and 109E in the Main Arena even without an RPS. Moreover, we could play much more interesting scenarios. Anyway, I'm sure AH will have enuff early war planes in a year or two

Just my two €

[ 10-30-2001: Message edited by: gatt ]

Karnak · « **Reply #17 on:** October 30, 2001, 05:09:00 AM »

OK pro-RPS people.

Put the following aircraft in order of entry in an RPS based on quarter years. Which are 1st quarter 1944? 2nd? 3rd? 4th?:

A6M5b
Ar234B
Bf109G-10
Bf109K-4
Fw190A-8
Fw190D-9
Ki-61-KAIc
La-7
Me262A
N1K2-J
P-38L
P-47D-30
P-51D
Spitfire MkXIV
Tempest MkV
Yak-9U

Wutz · « **Reply #18 on:** October 30, 2001, 06:38:00 AM »

Perhaps we are missing the big picture here. We are not restricted too use the WB rps. AH could with all these smart peoples, find a good system. I will come here with the first draft, and then I play the ball too you.

A Rps could focuse on 3 days pr year. 3x8=24day tour (1939-1946). It would not be impossible too find out when the first eksampel of the Me 109 F where put into activ service. We are a good resource and with so many great pilots in AH, that would be a piece of cake. We could also allowe ourself not too get tangled upp in what month it was released, 1940 mai or sept is 1940 no more, and no less. Eks if Me 109 F was firsted used in activ service May/june 1941 and the P40 E in August 1941 (no it is probably not the right date for both, but it is just an exampl) Both would be released in the begining of the 3 days of 1941. That I think we could live with. Ok, its your turn make my suggestion better, or give me your own. Dont bother if it sounds stupid, we are here too help eatchoter (upps, my english is realy bad when I am excited

) Not to make fun of...

And whatever we can agree on, I am confident that the staff at HT is reading this, and is making a note of theese suggestions.

(and how many other games could boost, yes we have the ability too recreate the airwar over poland, or the spanish civil war) I-153 vs Me 109D, or Hurricane I vs Fiat G 50 or Ki-27 Nate vs P40.

Ahhh remeber Dynamix Aces of the Pacific, where U could fly the Ki-27 Nate, it moved like Laurence Bakal (or something like that)

Wingnut_0 · « **Reply #19 on:** October 30, 2001, 07:35:00 AM »

Give me a 109E and I'll show u a dead late war plane! Either that or they'll run away cause they can't win

Westy MOL · « **Reply #20 on:** October 30, 2001, 08:06:00 AM »

I've not had a lot of experience with RPS's. I do know I'd not like it if it was my only choice and I'd definately question the wisodom of paying for entertainment that ended up not being fun by limiting what I could fly.

On the other hand I cannot stand to see people speek for the silent majority. <cough> Urchin. Until you take an official poll of the AH customer base and have facts to back your "majority" and "95%" comments please just speak for yourself.

Westy

SKurj · « **Reply #21 on:** October 30, 2001, 09:20:00 AM »

I wouldn't mind trying an RPS system. AH has modelled itself after a period of the war where allied equipment in the skies held an advantage, not just in numbers but in superior equipment. (262, 234 not included)

An earlier period of the war, 43 for example may see more parity in the skies, and more variety in aircraft. As it is these days, the majority of the time you are fighting the RAF or a US aircraft it seems.

SKurj

Karnak · « **Reply #22 on:** October 30, 2001, 02:20:00 PM »

Quote

Originally posted by wutz:
It would not be impossible too find out when the first eksampel of the Me 109 F where put into activ service.

No, it wouldn't be. But that wasn't my point.

I picked 1944 for a reason. 1943 might work as well.

wutz, I am guessing you are a fan of German aircraft because of your name, maybe you don't have an agenda, but maybe you do. Having the Bf109F enter service at its appropritate time is only a good thing if you have the agenda that many German aircraft fans have.

What about having the Spitfire MkXIV enter on its service entry date? Do you really want to be fighting hordes of Spit 14s in your Bf109G-6s, Fw190A-5s and Fw190A-8s? Or are you going to hedge the Spit 14s entry like they did in WBs? Based on your 3 day per year model, the second day of 1944 we get P-51Ds and on the third day we get Bf109K-4s, Fw190D-9s, Me262s and Tempests.

1944 would look like this:

Day 1: So many Spit 14s that you have trouble finding a non-Spit 14 to fight.
Day 2: P-51D arrives to slightly thin the Spit 14 horde, but lets face it, the Spit 14 is better suited to the MA kind of play.
Day 3: So many 262s that if you fly a prop plane you are just asking to be BnZed relentlessly by aircraft that you cannot touch.

1945 looks the same as day 3 of 1944.

All that said, I would like to see a true rolling plane set done in a CT where captures where possible and front movement happened.

qts · « **Reply #23 on:** October 30, 2001, 02:39:00 PM »

Pulling from another thread, perhaps there could be seperate arenae for early war, mid-war, and late war?

HoHun · « **Reply #24 on:** October 30, 2001, 03:03:00 PM »

Hi Karnak,

Thanks for the explanation so far!

>1944 would look like this:

I've to admit that I don't quite understand what you're aiming at with this example - what's the problem with one side's fighter arm consisting of just a single type for a day?

Regards,

Henning (HoHun)

Karnak · « **Reply #25 on:** October 30, 2001, 03:50:00 PM »

HoHun,

In the MA style of play, its not just one sides.

Knights, Rooks and Bishops would mostly flock to the fighters that I mentioned.

There would be stalwarts who stuck with their favorites of course, but why do you think that the F4U-1C, then N1K2-J and noe Spitfire MkIX are so common? Because they are easiest to use.

The Spit 14 and Me262 would do that in the 1944 period of a RPS in the context of an MA type environment.

Even in the CT you'd have the Yanks all flying Limey aircraft, namely Spit 14s.

I'm sure that the Brits would have loved to replace all of their older Spits with Spit 14s on January 3rd, 1944 when 610 Squadron went active with them, but they couldn't. I'm also sure that the Germans would have liked as many 262s, Fw190D-9s and Bf109K-4s. Both sides kept using Spitfire MkVs, MkIXs and Bf109G-6s and Fw190As respectively, despite the advent of better aircraft.

The other problem with a AvA setup is that players flock to whoever has the best aircraft in a given timeframe.

1940: Bf109E = Players flock to the Germans
1941: Spitfire Vb = Players flock to the Brits
1942: Fw190A-4 = Players flock to the Germans
1943: Spitfire LF.IX = Players flock to the Brits
1944, 1st half: P-51D, Spitfire MkXIV = Players flock to the Allies
1944, 2nd half-1945: Me262 = Players flock to the Germans

HoHun · « **Reply #26 on:** October 30, 2001, 05:11:00 PM »

Hi Karnak,

>Knights, Rooks and Bishops would mostly flock to the fighters that I mentioned.

I'd think a historical RPS wouldn't be satisfactory without distinguishing between historical countries, anyhow.

>The other problem with a AvA setup is that players flock to whoever has the best aircraft in a given timeframe.

All I can say is that this effect was frequently claimed for the WB.de server, but when I recorded actual player numbers for each side, they evidently were not influenced by aircraft availability in any way.

Regards,

Henning (HoHun)

Furious · « **Reply #27 on:** October 30, 2001, 05:42:00 PM »

The MA is a fantasy arena and should stay that way.

The CT is the place to try more historical matchups and RPS's, in my opinion. The rolling plane set with perks that has been used in the CT worked nicely.

F.

P.S. Karnak, it would be nice to have players flock to CT for any reason.

Wutz · « **Reply #28 on:** October 30, 2001, 06:47:00 PM »

well it is good too se that my post have triggerd many strong oppinions

Btw Karnak, why cant you come upp with your idea for this? Perhaps we could use the perk system in a roling plansett. Eks a 262 is 200 points in 1944, then 100 points in 1945, then 20 points in 1946. It could also be used with any other plane. And Btw many peoples fly what they like too fly, regardles of what is avlb. I see people in mc 205 and G-2 in the main arena. I myself usualy flies the G-6, NOT THE DORA.

Steven · « **Reply #29 on:** October 30, 2001, 08:06:00 PM »

Until we get some early planes, the idea of an RPS for AH is a little premature. Though, it's always nice to be prepared for the future. As the following statement indicates:

"Aces High takes the art and science of vintage WWII air combat
and sets it in an online high intensity environment where
hundreds of players can battle it out with and against
each other."

...Aces High concentrates on WW2 air combat which is basically 1940-1945. Now for you people who spout that you do not want your choices restricted and see no point in limiting a paying player from playing his favoritie ride, I imagine a good majority of you enjoy the LA7, N1K, Spit or P51, but ponder your own enjoyment with the game if Aces High became a 1943 to the end of the Korean War game. Many of you cry out that you do not want jets introduced or Bearcats and other aircraft which just missed participation in the war but I'm certain most of this is due to it making your favorite ride more difficult to succeed in the MA with. This is the same problem for those people who enjoy early WW2 aircraft. I do not suggest introducing jets, but I use this as an example to help you empathise with those people who like the early war aircraft which were VERY important for a period of time in WW2. The Wildcat and P40 are a whole heck of a lot more important than a N1K2 to WW2. Without something to even the play in Aces High, a Dauntless with only 1 bomb and flying what would seem 50mph is tantamount to suicide and is not what people are looking to do when paying and playing the game. I can't believe some late-war lovers can't go for a few days without maybe their favorite ride so that others who have other aircraft as a favorite ride can have a couple days of more even and entertaining play.

Oh yeah, and 95% of the posts in here are not screaming against an RPS.