Suggestions for AH early war planes. What we want?

[Wutz]

Yeah, why not include the F-86 sabre and Mig 13 or 15 in AH 1.25. No I say bring a roling Planeset like in WB here so we can recreate the whole war(the only thing WB is better att is the Roling Planesett) Fiat Cr 32, 42, Gloster Gladiator, Ki-10, Polikarpov I-5, I-15, I-153, I-16, He-51, and some good old bombers like the TB-3 and Ju-86. ww2 is not just 1942-45 (though u Yanks dident care before then) The Norwegian Airforce shot down Heinkel 111 and Bf109 and 110 in their old Gloster Gladiators in April of 1940 and not too mention the brave poles in their outdated planes, armed only with 2x7,7mm. The early war also poses and intresting perspectiv, even for a yank (ahh the Warhawk)

Though att the end I just have too give a big cheer too HT and their baby AH it is the best flightsim around, and it is brought too u by a company that gives 110% for their customers.

[ 10-29-2001: Message edited by: Wutz ]

[Urchin]

Probably 95% of AH players absolutely hate the Rolling Plane Set idea.  I'd love to see more early war planes in the game (Spit I, Hurricane I, 109E, D520, etc.) but since we will most likely never have an RPS, these planes would see next to no use in the MA.  They would be used only in scenarios.  Of course, since we have covered just about every important late war plane, that leaves mid and early war, so I'd guess that we will see some early war planes coming in soon.  

My best guess is that the next couple of releases will be mostly late war Russian and Japanese super-planes, then we will start seeing the American and Japanese early war planes, then the British and German after that.

[marcof]

They could & would be used in the CT arena (as its soon to be upgraded, RPS in there at present), they also would see some action in the MA, and also in events, snap shots etc...

I think lots of people would use certin early war planes in the MA, for example...
Ju87's,
P40,s &
early P38's

 

[Wutz]

Ok, perhaps the roling planeset is a bad idea. I know many (70%) flies their favoritt plane 80% of the time. But it would be cool too find a system, where u was forced too use some early war planes too. Just an idea, so put your minds in too it.  

[HoHun]

Hi Wutz,

>Ok, perhaps the roling planeset is a bad idea

Could you please elaborate on that? It seems so natural to me that I can't see what people might not like about the RPS concept. Could be because I absolutely loved "Red Baron" with its RPS when it came out ten years ago :-)

Regards,

Henning (HoHun)

[Karnak]

HoHun,

Many people dislike the rolling planset concept because it dictates their choice of aircraft.

If "Bob" is a gung-ho, American aircraft only, type of guy (or worse (worse from an availability standpoint)yet, a P-51D only guy) wht will he fly and enjoy in 1940?  Spits, Hurris or Bf109s?  If he is the P-51D only guy, he won't enjoy the sim he is paying for until the mid-1944 time period rolls around, meaning that most of the month he doesn't get his monies worth.

The other kind of guy that dislikes the rolling planeset is the guy who flys all sorts of different aircraft, but does so at his whim.  This guy doesn't like the day of the week or month to decide for him what he can and can't fly. If he has a hankering to fly an N1K2-J, then that is what he wants to do.  He doesn't want to make do with an A6M2.

[Vermillion]

And the worst part about a Rolling Plane Set is the incessant petty whining arguements, about what plane is released when. Introduction dates, In Theater dates, Parity days, and every other ill conceived method to determine what you get when. Every person has a agenda on which plane should be dominant when, and if they don't get their personal idea of "historic". Then the complaints never end.

Personally I am one of those people that hate the RPS.  Its one of the primary reasons I left Warbirds.

[Wutz]

Well peoples are different. What I loved abt WarBirds was the RPS and WW2 arena. When I fly my 109 I hate too shoot down 190 or 109. But I guess if it is true that the majority of AH players hate Rolling Plane Sett and the historical feeling. Well, there is darn little we can do abt it   And as for me, 10 wild horses could not drag my bellybutton back too WB 2.xx. AH is nbr 1, despite the 3 teams, no RPS and the dreadfull historical feling, when I ping a 109 in a 109.  

[Steven]

Karnak,

You forgot about the guy who likes early war aircraft but can't fly them because people are free to choose P51s, N1Ks and Me262s.

[Karnak]

Steven,

No I didn't, unless you mean the guy who likes early war stuff and thus does not like a RPS.  I wasn't taking a position on whether RPS' are good or not.  Personally, some days I'd like one and some days I wouldn't.  More often than not I want to fly what I want to fly.  Somethimes I'd like to do so without getting nailed by a P-51D or La-7 though.

I was explaining to HoHun the reasons that some people don't like RPS'.  Verm gave another big reason.

I know that the late war environment makes early war birds very difficult to use.

[Blue Mako]

CAC Boomerang!  Give us an Aussie fighter!

[Steven]

Karnak,

My apologies if my message came across in a way I did not mean.  I knew you weren't stating a specific preference of your own but were instead listing the types of people out there and thus why I misunderstood and thought you left out the type of category I'd fall into.  However, I really am starting to believe Aces High won't be going to early war aircraft for a very long, long time if ever and my category is pretty much moot.

[Buzzbait]

S!

My opinion is that we should add the missing '42, '43 and '44 planes.

Ie.:

Me110G
Ju88G
Me410
Ju-87D and G
Spit IXLF or Spit VIII
Beaufighter
Mosquito bomber
Wellington II
P-40E or Kittyhawk III
P-39N or Q
P-38F or J
P-47D-21  (Razorback with paddleblade prop)
B-25
Yak-3
Yak-9D
Yak-1
Tu-2
Ki-84
A6M2
Ki43
Jill or Val
Brewster Buffalo (Finn model)


After we get all these, then we should think about the Spit I, Me109E etc.

[Arlo]

Wutz,

     I, too, have a strong desire to see a "1930s" planeset (and many of your modeling suggestions are in line with my own interests). Having a rolling set doesn't appeal to me, however. Such planesets need a dedicated setting. I'm for dedicated arenas.

     It was disheartening to see the WWI and Korean arenas in AW go neglected. Of course, the reasoning used was their lack of popularity (although neglect could have bred it). The WWI arena was discontinued completely when EA aquired AW. The Korean arena continued to suffer neglect.

     If there were enough players expressing an interest in a specific era/planeset/setting, I don't see HT or Pyro being as inclined to ignore their interests. The only thing is, what planeset/era/setting do the historical players lobby for (or lobby for first)? Having a fragmented group asking for different planes from different campaigns would only come off as individual desires and not as a community petition.

 Early (and pre)war  settings:

 Spain
 Manchuria
 Finnish Winter War
 Early Pac
 BoB
 (what have I missed?)

     As much as I'd like to see AH work on an SCW planeset and setting, I'm more than willing to support any of the above if enough players express a similar interest. I've confidence that HT and Pyro would take notice and give it some serious consideration.

[Karnak]

At the Con HiTech said that one of their goals in the comming year was to delve into the early war stuff.

Keep the faith up, its comming.