Author Topic: Suggestions for AH early war planes. What we want? (Read 942 times)

Karnak · « **Reply #30 on:** October 30, 2001, 09:00:00 PM »

I have ideas of what would make the CT a much more enjoyable play environment, but they sadly conflict with the "realism at all costs" crowd.

gripen · « **Reply #31 on:** October 31, 2001, 04:44:00 AM »

Well, back to the topic...
I'd really like to see bi-planes like Gladiator , I-153 or CR-42. And the I-16 and Fokker D.XXI would be very nice for the Winter War scenario.

gripen

gatt · « **Reply #32 on:** October 31, 2001, 05:12:00 AM »

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Originally posted by Karnak:
The other problem with a AvA setup is that players flock to whoever has the best aircraft in a given timeframe.

1940: Bf109E = Players flock to the Germans
1941: Spitfire Vb = Players flock to the Brits
1942: Fw190A-4 = Players flock to the Germans
1943: Spitfire LF.IX = Players flock to the Brits
1944, 1st half: P-51D, Spitfire MkXIV = Players flock to the Allies
1944, 2nd half-1945: Me262 = Players flock to the Germans

Well, a well modeled Spitfire MkI and II is as good as the 109E.
The 109F is the right 1941 thing against the Spitfire V.
Our Spitfire IX is a 1942 Merlin 61 engined thing and is what RAF had just some months after the 190A arrival. Its a matter of days in the RPS.
About 1943-45 ... well, the arena wont change from what is now. I mean, full of Spitfires, Nikis, La7 and so on.
IMHO, you can build a good RPS, provided you have enuff a/c.

Tumor · « **Reply #33 on:** October 31, 2001, 05:31:00 AM »

RPS, next to cost was the main reason I never signed on to Warbirds full time. Not a bad idea buuut..how about we have lots of old/new planes and have them all available all the time?

Tumor

Tumor · « **Reply #34 on:** October 31, 2001, 05:32:00 AM »

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Originally posted by gripen:
Well, back to the topic...
I'd really like to see bi-planes like Gladiator , I-153 or CR-42. And the I-16 and Fokker D.XXI would be very nice for the Winter War scenario.

gripen

Bi-Planes WOULD be cool! I'll never squeak about ANY new Aircraft though.

Tumor

Wutz · « **Reply #35 on:** October 31, 2001, 06:07:00 AM »

And, even if we have a RPS we could still use the 3 teams Bish,Rook, and the glorious Knights

we are not limited too make a ww2 arena out of the Main Arena. And it must be rather cool, flying and adapting too newer planes like the real pilots of ww2. In 28 days u could go from the He-51 too the Me 262... (or even more futuristic AC like the Gotha HX 220, the BAT WING) I know, lets not make too much out off it, but atleast HTC would have something too work on for the next 10 years.

popeye · « **Reply #36 on:** October 31, 2001, 08:14:00 AM »

If an RPS were combined with tiered plane/field availability, it might soothe the One Trick Ponies a bit. The RPS starts with the earliest planes available at all fields, and the next round available only at rear fields. As the RPS progresses, new planes are introduced at rear fields, and the preceeding group is made available at all fields, etc., etc.

This would give the One Trick Ponies their favorite rides a bit earlier in the RPS, (although they would need to ferry them to the front.)

Vermillion · « **Reply #37 on:** October 31, 2001, 12:20:00 PM »

Its my experience that a RPS does the exact opposite of what most of you want. It actually brings less diversity to the arena.

What happens is that during each "period" you see mostly the one best TnB plane, and the one best BnZ plane, and hardly anything else. At least thats the way WB's was with their RPS.

And a note of importance concerning a RPS and all the whines about the N1K2. Yes, the N1K2-J wasn't introduced until very early in 45.

But the N1K1-J was operational in late 43 (I can get the exact dates when I get home to my books). And performance wise, the N1K1-J was only about 5 mph slower than the N1K2-J, a very little slower in climb, but otherwise you wouldn't notice alot of difference in the two in regards to gameplay in AH.

The N1K1-J would absolutely dominate a midwar portion of the RPS. And would be a obvious varient to an existing aircraft, to flesh out any RPS.

PS: Isn't it funny that the N1K2 is relatively rare in the arena now since 1.08, but its performance is barely changed? Its all about rumor, perception, attitudes, and "I heard the XXX plane is best on the BBS".

HoHun · « **Reply #38 on:** October 31, 2001, 04:16:00 PM »

Hi Vermillion,

>Its my experience that a RPS does the exact opposite of what most of you want. It actually brings less diversity to the arena.

I'm surprised to hear that!

I carefully recorded all "decisive engagements" on the WB.de server for two entire RPS periods, and found that I encountered almost all of the fighter types very regularly.

Some preferences were evident, but these were the exception rather than the rule:

- The Spitfire I was greatly favoured over the Hurricane I
- The Spitfire V was favoured over P-39/P-40
- The P-47 saw very little use
- The Yaks saw very little use
- The Me 109F was favoured over all other Me 109 variants
- The Ki-43 and Ki-84 saw little use

Flying for the Allies, I recorded 25 different fighter-vs.-fighter combinations during the RPS. Flying for the Axis, it even were 39 different combinations - hardly what I'd call "poor diversity" :-)

>Its all about rumor, perception, attitudes, and "I heard the XXX plane is best on the BBS".

Interesting that you mention that - the same happened in later iterations of the RPS, too, without any apparent reason.

Regards,

Henning (HoHun)

Vermillion · « **Reply #39 on:** October 31, 2001, 05:38:00 PM »

HoHun, pre AvA or in the Axis vs Allied arena? Big difference.

My experience was prior to the AvA arena.

HoHun · « **Reply #40 on:** October 31, 2001, 06:07:00 PM »

Hi Vermillion,

>HoHun, pre AvA or in the Axis vs Allied arena? Big difference.
My experience was prior to the AvA arena.

Ah, I think you've got a very good point there!

My experience was on a (now defunct) German Warbirds 2.01 server that had its own RPS with an Axis vs. Allies setup, and I never actually flew on any RPS-but-not-AvA server.

I think you've nailed the reason for our different experiences now - if I'd thought about such a setup, I'd have imagined variety to suffer just like you observed!

I guess I just took the AvA bit for granted due to my Red Baron experience in the early 1990s :-)

Regards,

Henning (HoHun)

hazed- · « **Reply #41 on:** October 31, 2001, 06:31:00 PM »

What id like to know is why its always considered that changes to gameplay are permanent or full time?

Why can we ahve the rolling planeset? only have it for 1 or 2 days in the week?

have a vote on who wants or doesnt want it and if the majority call for change give them it.
If it doesnt seem to work and people start to complain switch it off or do it less often(once every week or even 2 weeks)

-tronski- · « **Reply #42 on:** October 31, 2001, 08:14:00 PM »

Beaufighter Mk21/TFX
P-40K (RNZAF,or RAAF)
Spitfire Mk1a
Hurricane Mk1
BF109E-3/4
Bf110C
A6M2
A5M
Fiat Cr32
Hs-123
Ju-87B
Curtis Hawk 75A

I'd vote for a rolling Perk system. All aircraft are available, but then early war a/c like the Spitfire 1a are no perkies, but a Spit XIV would be 150 etc. As the tour wore on, the price for the XIV would decline. The current AH a/c would be eventually be at the current level after a week or so has passed.

Tronsky
486 Sqn (NZ). "Hiwa hau Maka"

[ 10-31-2001: Message edited by: -tronski- ]

Wutz · « **Reply #43 on:** November 01, 2001, 09:39:00 AM »

Well, good too see that someone has agreed with me abouth a roling perk sett. It should not be a big problem too find out how fast the eksampl Spitfire IX used too replase the Spit V in the majority of the spitfire squaderons. Or how many months the Jg used too replase the Emil with Friderich/Franz. And it is true that we have too find a system for planes that does not excist eks N1K1 George vs N1K2 George, release the n1k2 at n1k1 time or perk it or....?????? The avalb is also a point, was it more IJN squads vs IJN squads?(since the n1k1 George is a Navy plane like the Zero vs KI-61 Tony and Ki-84 Frank whom is Armyplanes) did the number of IJN squads decline since, there was a shortage of carriers 1944+ or did the IJN still train pilots, for IJN squads based on Islands..???? or did the n1k1 se wide use in army squads????

I am sure someone out there knows the answer.