Razorback P-47D 23

[Seadog36]

Only 354 G's were built in Buffalo, NY. None ever saw combat and were used domestically for training. Incidentally the only two surviving razorbacks are Gs. One with Planes of Fame in Chino the other with the Imperial War Museum in Duxford, England.

[EDO43]

We had the P-47D-30 early on in AH, HTC changed it to the D-40.  Personally, I've got my favorite jug...the recently added P-47M.  Fastest production jug made   

[321BAR]

We had the P-47D-30 early on in AH, HTC changed it to the D-40.  Personally, I've got my favorite jug...the recently added P-47M.  Fastest production jug made   

scariest too...

[oakranger]

We had the P-47D-30 early on in AH, HTC changed it to the D-40.  Personally, I've got my favorite jug...the recently added P-47M.  Fastest production jug made   

Why did they change it to the D-40?

[Shifty]

Give us a later model razorback jug w wing pylons and paddle blade props. Bubble tops are already overly represented. Performance should be identical to the P-47D25, just change the template and give us some new skins. There have already been some beautiful submissions eg Bonnie, Hun Hunter, Fiery Ginger, etc. 

+1 There will never be too many Jugs in this sim. 

[Seadog36]

We had the P-47D-30 early on in AH, HTC changed it to the D-40.  Personally, I've got my favorite jug...the recently added P-47M.  Fastest production jug made   

Not to disparage any Thunderbolt representation in AHII or anywhere else; it is really ironic because only 130 Ms were built and the war in Europe was all but over when they worked out the numerous bugs with them. They probably chased down more V-1 buzz bombs than actual Luftwaffe from their bases in England.

I heard a quote from a western front German soldier about aircraft overhead from the end of the war: "If it was camouflage it was British, if it was silver it was American, if it wasn't there it was the Luftwaffe."

I will start the chant again: Give us the D-23!

[Stoney]

Not to disparage any Thunderbolt representation in AHII or anywhere else; it is really ironic because only 130 Ms were built and the war in Europe was all but over when they worked out the numerous bugs with them. They probably chased down more V-1 buzz bombs than actual Luftwaffe from their bases in England.

I heard a quote from a western front German soldier about aircraft overhead from the end of the war: "If it was camouflage it was British, if it was silver it was American, if it wasn't there it was the Luftwaffe."

I will start the chant again: Give us the D-23!

There was not a single V-1 that was chased by a P-47M.

The D-30 is merely a D-25 with a few updates.  The D-30 was the first manufactured with the dorsal fin.  Otherwise, they're practically identical aircraft--especially from a performance standpoint.  The D-40 had a higher horsepower rating than the D-30, and thus performs differently.

[oakranger]

I heard a quote from a western front German soldier about aircraft overhead from the end of the war: "If it was camouflage it was British, if it was silver it was American, if it wasn't there it was the Luftwaffe."

If this quote is true, love it.

[Seadog36]

I'm sure they must have felt that way when they were being shredded to pieces by Jabos in the Ardenne and Falais pocket and there was not a German plane to be seen to challenge them.

[Karnak]

Why did they change it to the D-40?

They didn't.  It was always a P-47D-40, just had spent a long time mislabeled as a P-47D-30.

[bj229r]

I wouldnt mind getting rid of the D25 and changing it to the slightly earlier razorback version (23?) Would give a bit more contrast to the D40

[Krusty]

Only real difference between the D-30 and D-40 was the replacement of bazooka tube rockets with zero-length rocket stubs.

I don't even think they had horsepower differences. Same paddle blade props. Same engine models, as far as I recall. One had a fillet, but these were retrofitted to some and left off of others.

It's an ord issue, nothing more.

[oakranger]

I wouldnt mind getting rid of the D25 and changing it to the slightly earlier razorback version (23?) Would give a bit more contrast to the D40

I would not mind too.  Then they can have the D23 in the Mid War Arena. 

[Stoney]

Only real difference between the D-30 and D-40 was the replacement of bazooka tube rockets with zero-length rocket stubs.

I don't even think they had horsepower differences. Same paddle blade props. Same engine models, as far as I recall. One had a fillet, but these were retrofitted to some and left off of others.

It's an ord issue, nothing more.

Horsepower rating was different: D-25 rated at 2200hp vs. 2600hp for the D-40.  The D-30, is identical to the D-25, except for the dorsal fin.  That's it.  That's why I thought it was goofy that we had D-30 skins on the D-40, but meh...

I wish we had a D-23, but the D-25 was the most numerous model made, and thus, in my opinion, worthy of being represented in-game.  Realistically, the D-40 really came along pretty late in the ball-game, only beating the M by a few months.

[Krusty]

Ah, here's my confusion: I had previously looked at the stats as-modeled in game and they were identical.

The speed charts are on top of each other for the D-25 and the D-40. Only, the D-40 has an ever-so slight increase in climb rate on WEP. I thought it might be a weight issue, but now that you mention this I can see the horsepower being the reason.

EDIT: I can understand putting the D40 in... It sets them apart performance wise and weapons selection-wise. Otherwise we'd have 2 identical planes, one with and one without a fillet.

If that was the case, we'd have had almost total universal changeover to P-47Ns in the AH jabo community hehehe