ME-262

[Kenne]

Did the same test on a spitfire and it's range was about what I expected at a 2 sectors versus the 7 the me-262 went and the 6 3/4 the p-51 went. Since the range of spit is close to the me-262 this again clearly shows the model of the 262 is badly flawed. There now is no doubt what so ever that, for whatever reason, the range of 262 is in error. Basically it has been given what amounts to unlimited fuel especially considering the poor operational dependability of this aircraft.

 
isnt the endurance avail to ea AC in regards to the 'sectors' they fly, have anything to do with THE SPEED at which ea flys??

I wood expect the 262 to cover more 'sectors' due to higher speed within 'X' amount of fuel/time than either the spit or the 51. the 51 flying faster than the spit.

PS..is the MA FB rate 2.0?

 

[Karnak]

PS..is the MA FB rate 2.0?

 

Yes, 2.0 so as to give the longer ranged aircraft an advantage of some kind for that range while still making the bases close enough together for gameplay to be fun.

[Kenne]

Yes, 2.0 so as to give the longer ranged aircraft an advantage of some kind for that range while still making the bases close enough together for gameplay to be fun.

oh, so 2.0 is 'less' fuel consumption than 1.0?

[Spikes]

oh, so 2.0 is 'less' fuel consumption than 1.0?

No it is more...it is twice the fuel consumption as normal basically.

[AirFlyer]

oh, so 2.0 is 'less' fuel consumption than 1.0?

"More", 2.0 Fuel Burn Rate(which is what all MA's are set at) means that the plane burns fuel twice as fast as it would in real life. 1.0 means the plane will burn fuel at the same rate as it did in real life. Scale accordingly from there for any other numbers.

[Karnak]

oh, so 2.0 is 'less' fuel consumption than 1.0?

It halves fuel endurance, forcing things like La-7s and Spitfire Mk XVIs to be short range fighters while P-51Ds, Ki-84s and Mosquitoes can still roam far and wide while at the same time keeping bases close enough to each other to not have excessively flight times to the action.

[Squire]

For proper tests use 100 percent fuel, and you use a fuel burn of 1.0 (offline not in the MA where it is set to 2x fuel burn rate) at ALT (@18-22k) and reduced throttle to standard CRUISE settings. Also, dont "count sectors"??? you hit the "ESC" key once airborne and then hit the "E6B" button on the panel (third one down) and it reads off the current range. Thats how you do a proper test.

Ranges for the following a/c on INTERNAL fuel only (no Drop Tanks) at 100 percent internal capacity, at cruise settings in Real Life is this:

Ki-84: 1053 miles
F4U-1D: 1015 miles
P-51D: 950 miles
P-38J: 890 miles  
> Me-262: 652 miles <
P-47D-1: 570 miles
Fw 190D-9: 519 miles
Me 109G-6: 465 miles
Spitfire IX: 434 miles

The Ki-84 and F4Us ranges are max ranges at much reduced throttle, not typical combat ranges.

As you can see the Me 262s range is actually greater than many of the single seat fighters on internal fuel. 652 miles puts it into the top 1/2 category. Its range vs the Spitfire IX on internal fuel is @ 50 percent greater, no doubt owing to its much higher cruising speeds on jet engines once at alt.

Stop using 25 percent fuel and flying at 500 feet at max power in the Main Arena when you test them. It will not give an accurate result.

Also keep in mind that ranges vary greatly depending on alt, throttle, WEP use, ect and that they are only "generalised #s" they are never absolutes.

[AWwrgwy]

Stop using 25 percent fuel and flying at 500 feet at max power in the Main Arena when you test them. It will not give an accurate result.

Also keep in mind that ranges vary greatly depending on alt, throttle, WEP use, ect and that they are only "generalised #s" they are never absolutes.

25% would also vary from plane to plane and have nothing to do with comparative range.

25% of what?  After all, 100% fuel in a P-51 does not equal 100% fuel in an Me 262 volume wise nor in rate of consumption.


wrongway

[LCCajun]

It is called throttle management. Alot of ppl think that you ahve to fly full throttle at all times. I love using max cruise or less then max. I drop my rpms alot when I am on a long flight. The rpm reduction can save alot of fuel. <S> I will be coming back sooner then I thought lol. Damn Crack

[Kenne]

Yes, 2.0 so as to give the longer ranged aircraft an advantage of some kind

oh
i believed that when you said this^^^^
that 1.0 fuel consumption was normal and 2 was 1/'2' of normal.

[Karnak]

oh
i believed that when you said this^^^^
that 1.0 fuel consumption was normal and 2 was 1/'2' of normal.

Nah, then there'd be nothing the P-51 could do that the Spitfire couldn't do better.

Well, other than run.   

[bomber]

the range of a 262 is around 652 miles

[Pigslilspaz]

I'll leave that for the feel good Obamabots

I'm just wondering, do you have any other Interesting facts about them? Their fuel burn being grossly inaccurate perhaps?

[Chalenge]

My 262 flies for 43 minutes at a fuel multiplier of 1. The P-51D with drop tanks flies for 160 minutes. Tests performed at maximum power and maximum fuel. Of course both aircraft can easily go much longer.

[Letalis]

    For about the third time now I watched a ME-262 hang in a  fight for 20+ minutes , this simply is not any where near realistic. At best they should have enough fuel to get to altitude go less than a sector make a couple of passes and be on fumes or gliding back to base. Not buzzing an area for half an hour then flying two sectors away to land.

If this thread were an aircraft:
  Shakes stick and growls "my aircraft" followed by shooting a "disregard" call to ATC...

(A simple facepalm seemed too unoriginal)

DATA lad, DATA.  Even if your description didn't seem pretty commonplace, I would submit that some people experience a degree of time dilation when their cartoon lives are threatened