Some days are better then others but tonight was awful

[The Fugitive]

yeah if I were in your zeke bar lol I was in a mossie at the time   

To Fugitive: 

Lets stay on topic..... 

I thought I was on topic, you seem to have the "kill at all costs" mentality that the Hurri2 was using. You both threw everything you had at getting the kill, neither one of you went for the fight. Again while you weren't "tooting your own horn"  all you talked about was the kills you landed and how you are 9th on the scoreboard.

To find an answer as to "why" the hurri flew like it did I think you should look at why you fly like you do.... it seems much the same style to me. Sometime the truth hurts. I couldn't care less how high your on the scoreboard, nor how many kills you get. You asked why people go for the HO (rams are not really possible to set up, but if you HO in tight all the time your sure to get a good number of rams) and avoid fights and I gave you my opinion. If you don't like it, that's fine, but you did ask on an open forum. Sometimes your not going to get the answer you want to hear, sorry.

[killnu]

  What's the reason if there is no room for improvement why would you even play?

Kinda like those who fly  a 51 (insert some fast bird) and will not engage unless you are already involved with somebody else....when they miss...they zoom away and run off until they have more bait to work with.

Yea, why play if you are not going to try to improve....

[TnDep]

I thought I was on topic, you seem to have the "kill at all costs" mentality that the Hurri2 was using. You both threw everything you had at getting the kill, neither one of you went for the fight. Again while you weren't "tooting your own horn"  all you talked about was the kills you landed and how you are 9th on the scoreboard.

To find an answer as to "why" the hurri flew like it did I think you should look at why you fly like you do.... it seems much the same style to me. Sometime the truth hurts. I couldn't care less how high your on the scoreboard, nor how many kills you get. You asked why people go for the HO (rams are not really possible to set up, but if you HO in tight all the time your sure to get a good number of rams) and avoid fights and I gave you my opinion. If you don't like it, that's fine, but you did ask on an open forum. Sometimes your not going to get the answer you want to hear, sorry.

Fugitive lets start at the beginning of your post.

neither one of you went for the fight....kill at all cost mentality - no sir I fly for the fight and don't care if I get killed I give it my best 3.0 k/d I don't have a 10.0 and higher.  Most of the time I am lower in altitude then my opponent I don't care about staying alive forever I push the fight for the fight. 

2ndly your speaking of my acm skills and I said I'd be glad to goto the da with you to learn. 

3rdly how do you get this question....


I guess my point in this thread is why do some pay $15 dollars a month to up a plane to ram, then up another plane to ho/ram again.  Is there a point in the game to do this if you have no concept of getting better/improving in the game.  What's the reason if there is no room for improvement why would you even play?

into all the crap you were talking bout acm skills ect. I know you are like the evil queen of the forums and most of the time are off topic so I probably shouldn't even read your posts so I guess I'm done 

[TnDep]

Kinda like those who fly  a 51 (insert some fast bird) and will not engage unless you are already involved with somebody else....when they miss...they zoom away and run off until they have more bait to work with.

Yea, why play if you are not going to try to improve....

Yeah I know what you mean killnu and you see a lot of 47's doing that with there diving power but 1 47 driver in particular Juggler will put up a great fight and a heck of a stick.  I respect guys like him as there looking for a good fight and not all about bnzing.  Although I'm not a bnzer but it is a valid acm and for this topic I got to say it was well used in wwii.  I just don't see the reason why people try to ho/ram you everytime there's no concept to living in your plane doing that. 

[AAJagerX]

Dunno who the hurri was, but could it be possible that he's just learning the game?  When I started I ran into lots of stuff.

[321BAR]

Dunno who the hurri was, but could it be possible that he's just learning the game?  When I started I ran into lots of stuff.

i completely agree

[Wreked]

Dunno who the hurri was, but could it be possible that he's just learning the game?  When I started I ran into lots of stuff.

Yep - could be....but maybe once again we have the flying style of one group coming into conflict with anothers group style.

Over the years I've seen as many as 3 general groups and then any number of subset combinations depending on some ones mood of the moment (I must say the 2nd group only reared it's head when I can to AH - majority of other sims play by 1 & 3)

1.Space Invaders Style - remember that old video game - Fly at em dead on - killing as many of em as ya can till you're killed.  This sounds what the OP may have experienced - (there are days when after a crappy day at the office  I just want get on to blow "chit" up - period - don't care if I die too)

2.CircleFight/DA - it's all about the "fight" - set rules and etiquette - this group seems to be the main one constantly upset that others are having fun but NOT playing by their rules. (I do enjoy "out dogging" 51's/38's low n slo in my A8 - sometimes hehehe)

3. Hunter/Killer style – as a true air combat simulation - FSO is where it’s at – everything else is just practice – kill the enemy 1st without endangering yourself unneedlessly- preferably without the enemy even seeing you – bring your bird home every time( it’s just on loan from the crew chief) etc etc.

Now It seems to me that there are likely a multitude of combinations of this and to be truthful…..
What’s it matter if they are having fun??
Planes are free – no one is really killed
Why demand people play YOUR way and not the way that makes them happy?  ….  <--this just smacks of PC conservatisim

This whole “they are not learning anything” straw man is just that – a bogus justification to hammer people for playing by a different set of reasons.

LOL – Christ on a crutch – it’s just a game – get off your high horses!! <sheesh> 

…..cheers eh! 

[Sonicblu]

Hey we were all new at one time, even I thought you had to ho in the 190d to get a kill. I was really proud of myself the first time i landed

a couple of kills. Nothing else made sense.

Anyway now I like to up a Brewster and spank the zero, and hurri guys.

It makes for quite the fight just because they can turn so well and the noob really wants a kill.

[The Fugitive]

Fugitive lets start at the beginning of your post.

neither one of you went for the fight....kill at all cost mentality - no sir I fly for the fight and don't care if I get killed I give it my best 3.0 k/d I don't have a 10.0 and higher.  Most of the time I am lower in altitude then my opponent I don't care about staying alive forever I push the fight for the fight. 

again with the score...who cares! Had you been going for the fight you would have avoid the HO.....seeing as you are so skilled 

2ndly your speaking of my acm skills and I said I'd be glad to goto the da with you to learn. 

ahhh yes the old "bring to the DA" line... I forgot you have awesome skills so it isn't possible for you to have been wrong in the fight you your self brought up.

3rdly how do you get this question....


I guess my point in this thread is why do some pay $15 dollars a month to up a plane to ram, then up another plane to ho/ram again.  Is there a point in the game to do this if you have no concept of getting better/improving in the game.  What's the reason if there is no room for improvement why would you even play?

Your the one who said that this type of flying went on for 5 or 6 sorties. I'm not real quick on the uptake myself, but I think I would have been able to figure out the the hurri in the area I kept flying back to was going to HO/ram. My guess is your not as skilled as you think you are. You have pointed out that you pay your $15 a month then upped and got HOed and then upped again over and over doing the same thing. Why did you do that? It was pretty much the same thing the hurri was doing, except he was winning 

into all the crap you were talking bout acm skills ect. I know you are like the evil queen of the forums and most of the time are off topic so I probably shouldn't even read your posts so I guess I'm done 

people who call others names and post trash like this do so only because they have a problem defending there position. Some people, when they are wrong, CAN admit it, others, well I guess you know what I mean.

[uptown]

Kinda like those who fly  a 51 (insert some fast bird) and will not engage unless you are already involved with somebody else....when they miss...they zoom away and run off until they have more bait to work with.

Yea, why play if you are not going to try to improve....

Some folks tend to forget that speed is also nice to run cons down. 

[Vudak]

1.Space Invaders Style - remember that old video game - Fly at em dead on - killing as many of em as ya can till you're killed.  This sounds what the OP may have experienced - (there are days when after a crappy day at the office  I just want get on to blow "chit" up - period - don't care if I die too)

"Space Invaders Style" heh, I like that

[TnDep]

people who call others names and post trash like this do so only because they have a problem defending there position. Some people, when they are wrong, CAN admit it, others, well I guess you know what I mean.

Fugitive do you smoke dope ?  on Medication ?  or just plain crazy ?    I'll never respond to another post of yours ever again.  Somethings wrong with you dude.  It's a game if I'm wrong about something I'll say sorry but there's nothing to be wrong about in this case.  The question was what are people thinking when they ho or ram, everyone gets this besides you.  Every thread you get the drama rolling helps for more pleasure for you I guess.  Have a great life!

[The Fugitive]

LOL!!! I get it! Let me ask you a question, What were you thinking when you flew into the same hurri 5-6 flights and didn't try to avoid the HO?

[Vudak]

The question was what are people thinking when they ho or ram

They're probably thinking that's their best chance.  For some, depending on their experience, it may be.

Batfink's done a good bit to help people learn a better way...  He also constantly has something nice to say to the rookies on 200, pretty much no matter what just happened...  Which in turn lets him do that good bit.

[humble]

I'm sure that Jumper is learning the game. I ran into him early in the night in a Mossie vs his hurricane with 4-5k in alt. He squandered his alt chasing low % shots mostly by reversing every chance for a joust. I tried to engage him constructively on 200 but got no response. I think a bit of TnDep's frustration may come from the fact we had a pretty good fight going with a number of quality sticks on both sides. This created a number of small mini furballs interspersed in a bigger one. Most who fly againt or with 71 SQD know we like to let good fights go and don't pile on.

This created some circumstances where jumper would wade into the melee and create complications in the sense that we had what could be called an "old school" high quality running furball with a face shooting hurricane in its mist. Just so happened timing but him in the mix with TnDep more often then not. After the 1st meeting I simply made sure to either avoid or eviscerate any hurricane I saw....which come to think of it is how I normally handle em.