Some days are better then others but tonight was awful

[SAJ73]

Good 2 c an old dueling buddy 

Good to see you too TnDep   We have had some good duels before for sure, and I have to say you have been a fast learner in this game. It was a time when we did pretty equal in our fights, but now you would kill me like I was a noob I think. 
Has been a long time since we duelled any now.
Perhaps on a good day I could manage to stay alive for a few minutes with you, but the outcome would be in your favor I'm sure! 

[TnDep]

Good to see you too TnDep   We have had some good duels before for sure, and I have to say you have been a fast learner in this game. It was a time when we did pretty equal in our fights, but now you would kill me like I was a noob I think. 
Has been a long time since we duelled any now.
Perhaps on a good day I could manage to stay alive for a few minutes with you, but the outcome would be in your favor I'm sure! 

I don't know about that SAJ your a heck of a stick my friend 

[TnDep]

I went ahead on my break and made the vid. it's 2:00 mins. long and you will see 2 merges after the maneuver.  Starting speed before the maneuver is 356 and after the maneuver 347 so just 9 mph in speed loss, I use it, it's fun to do.  This was done at a da field and Alleric was advised to fire everything he had at me on the merge and try to hit me.  As you can see the bullets are very high and right of my plane where it once was.  To do this maneuver you do need some speed and I wouldn't recommend it if less then 275 mph.  I've not done a study to see whats the lowest speed it works at but here it is.

http://www.mediafire.com/?lwwmgxd2mg2

TnDep-F4u-1a
Alleric-Spit9

Disclaimer: Alleric doesn't ho, he was advised to for the purpose of this vid. Thanks for your help Alleric

[SAJ73]

I don't know about that SAJ your a heck of a stick my friend 

Ty for your kind words bud, as I said perhaps if I had a good day and if you had a bad one the outcome perhaps would be pretty equal. But otherwise I think you are way ahead of me in your practice, I don't get enough hours ingame anymore to get the practice I feel needed to keep at my best.

There is so much I would love to learn better, and just like the move I described on the previous page.. Its a move I am still working on, polishing and testing. It works pretty good for me, but I need to get it like on rails.. I even forget to do it all together myself very often, and just get frustrated over being hoed to death. It takes alot of flighthours to get a move to work like clockwork, and doing it without even thinking too much of it as you do it..

But I liked your roll-move in the vid, I use that one too alot. But I don't make it without getting any hits always, so I have not put too much effort into polishing that one.. I started testing out other moves, to get me further away from the other plane. Since then I have been surviving alot longer.

Another thing I try to use alot, especially in the MA.. That's to make the arena sun my friend! If I manage to dictate the merge in a way that it makes me end up in a direct line between the enemy plane and the sun, that's a good place to be in!   Especially at the point where I try to confuse the other guy to make a bad move..

Just wish I could sit with this game every day for several hours, then I would probably have been alot better than I am today..
As it is now I often just jump into the furball arena to get as much fighting as I can on as short time as possible, just to keep me "warm". But it also makes me stressed, and because of that doing alot of stupid moves.. 

[WMLute]

TnDep, that move will get ya' dead if you pull it vs. me and it was only pure luck (or lack of skill) that you didn't get nailed that second time.  (didn't really see a "move" after you went up/over and you were a sitting duck)

What you are doing is giving them a hard shot but you are gaining nothing by it. 

Actually, from an energy and positional perspective, you would be in a bad way vs. someone who can fight.

One can achieve the exact same results with a simple juke that doesn't blow my e or position.

Getting a HO'r to miss is simple and not at all complicated.  Give them a shot to line up on and don't be there when they pull the trigger.  No fancy move required just timing.

I see several people talking about speed and/or fancy moves for HO avoidance and paying no mind to position.

So you just nosed down and piled on some speed and managed to avoid the head on your opponent tried.

Now what?

You are not gonna suddenly turn hard into the opponent as that would defeat the whole purpose of piling on the speed pre-merge and the move you used puts you in no position to go offensive.

I think you are missing out on a huge opportunity here by not flying for position.  You are flying to make them miss as opposed to setting them up to die.

Think it through...

You get to dictate your opponents 1st and 2nd move if you are smart about it and by doing so get to start the fight with a huge advantage.  Not only do you control their moves but by doing so you are putting them in a terrible position for the rest of the fight and pretty much starting the fight 1/2 way to their 6.

I agree that you should be under your opponent on the merge and I usually dive slightly to get under 'em but NOT for building up energy.  (usually)  It is because of the positional advantage you have being under your opponent when merging.

You were flying vs. a Spit so you want to make them have to nose down and turn to the right to take the HO shot at you so pre-merge you should be setting this up.  (Spits turn worse to the right)

They will see my merging and since they are already in a hard right turn they will continue on with the right hand turn. 

I just dictated their 1st and 2nd moves.

Sometimes they will just extend, get a ton of separation and try to HO me again.  That is fine.  Normally after 3-4 failed attempts they will try to turn with me and it is just a matter of being patient and ready for when they get brave/dumb and making sure you are in position and they are out of it.

The vast majority of the players will sacrifice alt, energy, and position for a shot (gawd love 'em) so use that to your advantage.



It is the ones that don't that concern me and I know I have a fight on my hands.

[TnDep]

Your spot on Lute not going to argue with you on any point, I don't use this maneuver much just do it for fun sometimes.  Yes the second merge he could have had me for sure.  I'm still learning and got a long ways to go before I get to your level and some others.  Just 15 months in plugging alone learning as much as I can. 

[SAJ73]

TnDep, that move will get ya' dead if you pull it vs. me and it was only pure luck (or lack of skill) that you didn't get nailed that second time.  (didn't really see a "move" after you went up/over and you were a sitting duck)

What you are doing is giving them a hard shot but you are gaining nothing by it. 

Actually, from an energy and positional perspective, you would be in a bad way vs. someone who can fight.

One can achieve the exact same results with a simple juke that doesn't blow my e or position.

Getting a HO'r to miss is simple and not at all complicated.  Give them a shot to line up on and don't be there when they pull the trigger.  No fancy move required just timing.

I see several people talking about speed and/or fancy moves for HO avoidance and paying no mind to position.

So you just nosed down and piled on some speed and managed to avoid the head on your opponent tried.

Now what?

You are not gonna suddenly turn hard into the opponent as that would defeat the whole purpose of piling on the speed pre-merge and the move you used puts you in no position to go offensive.

I think you are missing out on a huge opportunity here by not flying for position.  You are flying to make them miss as opposed to setting them up to die.

Think it through...

You get to dictate your opponents 1st and 2nd move if you are smart about it and by doing so get to start the fight with a huge advantage.  Not only do you control their moves but by doing so you are putting them in a terrible position for the rest of the fight and pretty much starting the fight 1/2 way to their 6.

I agree that you should be under your opponent on the merge and I usually dive slightly to get under 'em but NOT for building up energy.  (usually)  It is because of the positional advantage you have being under your opponent when merging.

You were flying vs. a Spit so you want to make them have to nose down and turn to the right to take the HO shot at you so pre-merge you should be setting this up.  (Spits turn worse to the right)

They will see my merging and since they are already in a hard right turn they will continue on with the right hand turn. 

I just dictated their 1st and 2nd moves.

Sometimes they will just extend, get a ton of separation and try to HO me again.  That is fine.  Normally after 3-4 failed attempts they will try to turn with me and it is just a matter of being patient and ready for when they get brave/dumb and making sure you are in position and they are out of it.

The vast majority of the players will sacrifice alt, energy, and position for a shot (gawd love 'em) so use that to your advantage.



It is the ones that don't that concern me and I know I have a fight on my hands.

I guess that summary throws my merge down the drain too..  

Perhaps I am working on something that makes me get nowhere, but so far I've seen some progress in my fights and survival after changing my merges from a straight on duelling merge to a more unpredictable flying path.. I don't try to get an incredibly amount of speed by diving, but just keeping my hog into a good e state before the fight starts. Usually that means trying to never let it drop below 150, but also not too much above 300 if I want to do any sudden turns..

But I really don't have enough experience to say too much about how to do this or that, but hope to get there some day though.  

[dev41]

TnDep,

Thanks for the offer on the 1v1's, I could really use the practice. I am travelling this week and going to be moving this upcoming weekend. I should have my high speed internet back up shortly after that (I am using my ATT Blackberry to connect right now) and would look forward to meeting you after that. In the meantime if I see you or any one else in the arena's, feel free to let me know what I am doing wrong (pretty much everything, I think)

In the arena I go by Dev42,

Thanks again!

[Changeup]

Just for clarification, according to Skuzzy, ramming is a decision YOUR computer makes, not the other pilots computer.  Trying to get close to someone and run their plane into an opponent is luck at the very best.  I hate being rammed like anyone else but MY computer is the one that decided to give me the damage, not the other pilots flying skills.

TnDep, I've flown with you for a long time, hell, I learned with ya....you ran into a noob on a bad night.

V/r

Changeup

(Dear Jesus, please let me get paired with Jumper in the dueling bracket, amen)

[ACE]

(Dear Jesus, please let me get paired with Jumper in the dueling bracket, amen)

Lol I hear you there.

[grumpy37]

I would like to hear his side of the story, maybe he was outnumbered, maybe he was doing what he had to do to avoid the pick, maybe he was doing what he had to do to defend the base. Got film?

This guy ALWAYS hoes, at least in MW.  I had a situation earlier tonight where i was forced multiple times into a hoe situation.  I was in an A6 and the other was a 190.  He tried the BnZ a few times and it didnt work.  He would then extend out, turn back around and go for the hoe.  I tried everything i could to avoid, slow dive then sudden turns you name it.  He finally landed a few pings on my wing and during my turn it came off.. (stupid paper airplane)  Funny thing is he claimed it was a deflection shot not a hoe cause i was turning to avoid the hoe.  Anyway i do agree that guys like that do ruin it for guys like me looking for a good ole turn fight.  Im finding most of the players see this as just another video game and take no interest at all in actual ACM or using it as the SIM it was originally intended as.  I just chalk it up to being a game and move on, most of the time.

[TnDep]

TnDep,

Thanks for the offer on the 1v1's, I could really use the practice. I am travelling this week and going to be moving this upcoming weekend. I should have my high speed internet back up shortly after that (I am using my ATT Blackberry to connect right now) and would look forward to meeting you after that. In the meantime if I see you or any one else in the arena's, feel free to let me know what I am doing wrong (pretty much everything, I think)

In the arena I go by Dev42,

Thanks again!

Sounds good Dev when you get back up and running lets do some duels 

[TnDep]

Just for clarification, according to Skuzzy, ramming is a decision YOUR computer makes, not the other pilots computer.  Trying to get close to someone and run their plane into an opponent is luck at the very best.  I hate being rammed like anyone else but MY computer is the one that decided to give me the damage, not the other pilots flying skills.

TnDep, I've flown with you for a long time, hell, I learned with ya....you ran into a noob on a bad night.

V/r

Changeup

(Dear Jesus, please let me get paired with Jumper in the dueling bracket, amen)

lol Changeup    we need a bigger firewall I think

[Pongo]

When someone is being vulched, and they HO a vulcher as they take off, is that bad TnDep?

[tf15pin]

I think it would help a lot of people out if they thought about hoes  as a shot opportunity for the other guy. If you have someone coming in from your high 7 with a lot of smash you are going to do two things: 1) make him miss 2) start working to improve your position.  I try to treat every merge like this. If he insists on having his guns in my direction when we merge I take evasives, if his merge takes him out of line with mine to the point where he will not have solution I will work for it and take the deflection shot.

90%+ of the time I am hoed it is because I made a bad decision and accepted the ho, and nearly every time I see someone get hoed it is because they fly straight at the guy playing chicken and expecting him to hold fire.


Basically, roll, jink, dive, or scissor when you see the cannon bird coming a head on at you and 90% of the time you will here his guns buzzing as you go passing cleanly by. Making shots on a maneuvering target at a closure rate of 800 mph is pretty tough but if you are flying straight and level at the bad guy he is going to give you a face full.