Brewster

[Krusty]

F2A-3 saw more than enough combat to be included, particularly in the defence of Singapore. I'd like to see it just because it made some Kiwis aces during a period of intense combat against a numerically and technically superior enemy who was also vastly better organised.

Given the sorry state of current IJA/IJN planesets, you really wouldn't get much benefit from it. The only thing you'd have to fly against would be A6M2s.

[palef]

Don't care. I want it for my reasons, not yours.

[Krusty]

Perfectly understandable.

[Wmaker]

F2A-3 saw more than enough combat to be included, particularly in the defence of Singapore. I'd like to see it just because it made some Kiwis aces during a period of intense combat against a numerically and technically superior enemy who was also vastly better organised.

The Brewsters in the defence of Singapore were B339s, not F2A-3s.

[Ack-Ack]

What Krusty was talking about in English is that the early Soviet pilots with little experience did not know how to turn fight, even if they did know how to return to base.

LOL!  That sounds like 95% of the AH players.


ack-ack

[321BAR]

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i AM really that dumb sometimes...

[palef]

The Brewsters in the defence of Singapore were B339s, not F2A-3s.

The B339E and F2A-3 were identical when they went out the factory door. The British "improved" them by making them heavier. For all intents and purposes and F2A-3 "would do" for a B339E allowing both a navalised and land based version to be modelled.

[Wmaker]

The B339E and F2A-3 were identical when they went out the factory door.

No they were not. They had different engines for starters. B339 is a B339 and F2A-3 is an F2A-3. AFAIK, F2A-3 fought in exactly two aireal combats.

[Saxman]

No they were not. They had different engines for starters. B339 is a B339 and F2A-3 is an F2A-3. AFAIK, F2A-3 fought in exactly two aireal combats.

One: Midway.

[Wmaker]

One: Midway.

On 10th of March, F2A-3s of the VMF-221 shot down a Japanese flying boat. This was roughly three months before the start of the Battle of Midway.

[dtango]

Dear Lord, I had no idea this thread was plowing on!

On 10th of March, F2A-3s of the VMF-221 shot down a Japanese flying boat. This was roughly three months before the start of the Battle of Midway.

Baaaah, everyone knows that vulches don't count. 

Tango
412th FS Braunco Mustangs

[palef]

No they were not. They had different engines for starters. B339 is a B339 and F2A-3 is an F2A-3. AFAIK, F2A-3 fought in exactly two aireal combats.

Were too. The B339s sent to the RAF weren't delivered with the specified engine and the airframe was the same initially but modified after delivery.

[Wmaker]

Were too. The B339s sent to the RAF weren't delivered with the specified engine and the airframe was the same initially but modified after delivery.

B339 was essentially an export version of the Brewster's (then) upcoming F2A-2. The production of the first 339s (Belgian order) started April '40. The B339s for Britain were produced starting from May '40. In August, the production was momentarily switched to F2A-2s. January 21st, the first F2A-3s are ordered and the delliveries started in July '41. More than a year after the production of the British order started.

Jukka Raunio also mentions it as "an alternation" of the F2A-2. F2A-3 also feautred additional fuel capacity which neither F2A-2 nor B339s had. All F2A-2s and B339s could carry 160gals like the B239 but the F2A-3s could carry 240gals.

Source: Francis Dean's America's Hundred Thousand, Pilots View Point II by Jukka Raunio

Like I've said, F2A-3 is a F2A-3 and B339 is a B339. No point what so ever to talk about them under the same designation, especially with a wrong one.

[Squire]

Both the Japanese and the Dutch pilots thought the B-339C/D (based on the F2A-2) that was used in the East Indies in 1942 was a decent little fighter. The Dutch did very well in it considering the campaign itself was disastrous, and its combat there only lasted a few months total.

Personally I think the B-339 we have in AH is close enough that it does not warrant another model to represent the Dutch Brewster.

The B-339E "Buffalo" (it was an RAF term) used in Burma and Singapore? well, two things here: First of which is, who wants one for the MA? answer: nobody. The Finns don't want it (why would they???) and nobody else would use it. So it would be used only in a few SEA setups.

I dont see it (any more varients added that is) happening anytime soon.