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Re: HTC give us the choice!!!!!!
« Reply #75 on: June 25, 2010, 02:48:43 PM »
Bull.

You CAN try and say that a few posts on this forum are keeping you from re-subscribing, but you would be deceitful in doing so.

Really base (and childish) manipulative tactics there Kev.  

I doubt a statement like that would change HiTechs thinking on the matter in the slightest.  He has been at this far too long to not see your post for what it is.

AH won't stand or fall on my account re-activation or not.

Trying to defend players suggesting other players to leave is WRONG, there is no defence, end of.

In the other thread I cleary stated that reasons , it was nothing to do with the game, all to do with the attitudes displayed by a small group of players.

Be less chance of a PNG if I stick to Aircraft and Vehicles, and the O' club forums.

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Re: HTC give us the choice!!!!!!
« Reply #76 on: June 25, 2010, 03:41:55 PM »
See Rule #4
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Re: HTC give us the choice!!!!!!
« Reply #77 on: June 25, 2010, 07:53:50 PM »
See Rule #4

Lute et al.

You guys really need to take a break from these threads imho.  You know i like you personally but lets be honest...you guys have been typing opposite opinions to the ones you are insulting for as long as i can remember.  You did it hoping to get hitech to change his arena rules to disfavor those who play the game differently then you do.  No problem with that...but now you are calling folks weanies, skilless because they enjoy a different aspect of the game then you do. One that it appears you cant comprehend...i know you are smarter then that...

Let me try to explain this in a fashion that may make sense...

Some folks like "accomplishing" something....its that simple.  Repetitive air combat with little variation does not appeal to them.  "Capturing" a field gives them a sense of accomplishment.  You can characterize it as "toolshedding" or "milkrunning" to try to demean it but to them it is a satisfying feeling.  The older system allowed this to occur.  The new system (especially over land) quite frankly doesn't.  Of course this is Hitech's game and he can do whatever he wants...but since he is running a business i'll guess he cares about how ALL subscribers feel to an extent.  In a pure "fiter" system there is not really any way to accomplish much...for example compare this to other online games where you "level" up or acquire extra abilities.  I'm not saying this view is correct but it is a legitimate point of view.  I can't fathom the fun of bombing but it doesn't mean i should demand that aspect of the game be removed OR that it be regulated in such a restrictive fashion that it becomes untenable.


In the old system "furballing" was always available...but it required at times a lot of "work" and "planning" as well.  Fights weren't always available...basetaking was often a major objective.  I can see why Hitech may have wanted to make some changes.  I don't see why you feel the need to insult and belittle those who aren't happy with them. :salute
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Re: HTC give us the choice!!!!!!
« Reply #78 on: June 25, 2010, 08:58:22 PM »
Far as Im concerned.
New field dar settings are fine
Old field dar settings were fine.
A no feild dar setting would be fine.

Just so long as the icon shows up in the right color when Im in range

Though if we are going to have dar I think field dar should be reduced  and there should be radar stations instead for picking up aircraft further out
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Re: HTC give us the choice!!!!!!
« Reply #79 on: June 25, 2010, 09:15:54 PM »
I see dead people... :noid
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Re: HTC give us the choice!!!!!!
« Reply #80 on: June 25, 2010, 10:08:04 PM »
Lute et al.

You guys really need to take a break from these threads imho.  You know i like you personally but lets be honest...you guys have been typing opposite opinions to the ones you are insulting for as long as i can remember.  You did it hoping to get hitech to change his arena rules to disfavor those who play the game differently then you do.  No problem with that...but now you are calling folks weanies, skilless because they enjoy a different aspect of the game then you do. One that it appears you cant comprehend...i know you are smarter then that...

Let me try to explain this in a fashion that may make sense...

Some folks like "accomplishing" something....its that simple.  Repetitive air combat with little variation does not appeal to them.  "Capturing" a field gives them a sense of accomplishment.  You can characterize it as "toolshedding" or "milkrunning" to try to demean it but to them it is a satisfying feeling.  The older system allowed this to occur.  The new system (especially over land) quite frankly doesn't.  Of course this is Hitech's game and he can do whatever he wants...but since he is running a business i'll guess he cares about how ALL subscribers feel to an extent.  In a pure "fiter" system there is not really any way to accomplish much...for example compare this to other online games where you "level" up or acquire extra abilities.  I'm not saying this view is correct but it is a legitimate point of view.  I can't fathom the fun of bombing but it doesn't mean i should demand that aspect of the game be removed OR that it be regulated in such a restrictive fashion that it becomes untenable.


In the old system "furballing" was always available...but it required at times a lot of "work" and "planning" as well.  Fights weren't always available...basetaking was often a major objective.  I can see why Hitech may have wanted to make some changes.  I don't see why you feel the need to insult and belittle those who aren't happy with them. :salute

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Re: HTC give us the choice!!!!!!
« Reply #81 on: June 25, 2010, 10:34:53 PM »
Falcn...

I am also pretty durn sure that HiTech saw how prevalent massive NOE hoards had become, found that it was unhealthy, and decided to do something about it.

All he would have to do is fly for a few hours on any given night to see this.

I seriously doubt that he made the changes because any post that was put up on the forum.


Why can't capturing a field involve combat?  What about THAT can't you comprehend?  Why does avoiding combat seem like a good thing to you in a combat game?

As I have said time and again one of my favorite things about this game is capturing bases.  I am constantly orchestrating field captures on the knit side.

Thing is...  I don't try to AVOID the enemy when doing so.
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Re: HTC give us the choice!!!!!!
« Reply #82 on: June 25, 2010, 10:45:39 PM »


The players do have a CHOICE....

I pay for 3 games right now...

WW2OL

iracing

and

AcesHigh


The wife has been on my butt for sometime now to cut back on the gaming $$$$.......

HTC is making the choice easier to pick.

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Re: HTC give us the choice!!!!!!
« Reply #83 on: June 25, 2010, 10:52:37 PM »
Ahh yes the culling of the herd has begun ;)
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Re: HTC give us the choice!!!!!!
« Reply #84 on: June 25, 2010, 10:53:35 PM »
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Re: HTC give us the choice!!!!!!
« Reply #85 on: June 25, 2010, 11:17:52 PM »
Falcn...

I am also pretty durn sure that HiTech saw how prevalent massive NOE hoards had become, found that it was unhealthy, and decided to do something about it.

Why can't capturing a field involve combat?  What about THAT can't you comprehend?  Why does avoiding combat seem like a good thing to you in a combat game?

As I have said time and again one of my favorite things about this game is capturing bases.  I am constantly orchestrating field captures on the knit side.

Thing is...  I don't try to AVOID the enemy when doing so.

Maybe a rebuttal would be why a can't capturing a field involve a path of least resistance??  In the military, there are covert operations that are done with least resistance.  So why not here?

It just seems that (let the dust settle), base taking will slow down and yes, I see this as a furballers dream.  As much as I love to furball, there are many dynamics of this game that should be respected and not belittled.

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Re: HTC give us the choice!!!!!!
« Reply #86 on: June 25, 2010, 11:53:10 PM »
Maybe a rebuttal would be why a can't capturing a field involve a path of least resistance??  In the military, there are covert operations that are done with least resistance.  So why not here?

It just seems that (let the dust settle), base taking will slow down and yes, I see this as a furballers dream.  As much as I love to furball, there are many dynamics of this game that should be respected and not belittled.

IMO

Since HTC has taken away the NOE (AWESOME BTW) we need Special Operations .  I respectfully request a SEAL Assault team (for port "recon", direct action), 2 battalion, 75th Ranger Regiment (airfield take-downs, quick reaction force) and 3rd Marines MEU (for massive port take-downs via amphib assault-armored), and 3rd ACR (Armored Cav Regiment) 1st, 2nd and 3rd Squadrons (lightning fast armor)

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Re: HTC give us the choice!!!!!!
« Reply #87 on: June 26, 2010, 12:12:33 AM »
Falcn...

I am also pretty durn sure that HiTech saw how prevalent massive NOE hoards had become, found that it was unhealthy, and decided to do something about it.

All he would have to do is fly for a few hours on any given night to see this.

I seriously doubt that he made the changes because any post that was put up on the forum.


Why can't capturing a field involve combat?  What about THAT can't you comprehend?  Why does avoiding combat seem like a good thing to you in a combat game?

As I have said time and again one of my favorite things about this game is capturing bases.  I am constantly orchestrating field captures on the knit side.

Thing is...  I don't try to AVOID the enemy when doing so.


Lute

There is no reason why it can't involve combat but i feel you may be too myopic in your view...

I guess the first concept i would challenge is why is YOUR definition of combat the only one you recognize?  For example in Tribes, Brothers at Arms, and other fighting sims there is an option to be a sniper.  many would criticize these folks as "cowards" "gutless" but the bottom line is being sneaky and planning "path of least resistance" "less likely to die" attacks is more appealing to some  then brute force. In World of Warcraft and Everquest one can become more powerful by commerce and trading then they could ever hope to by simply running around and collecting and killing things.  Guys who prefer "the fight" are quick to denigrate those who don't.   Both styles of play in my opinion are legitimate...you seem to view the one that results in a large clash as the only style that should be appropriate.

Again, i love a good furball (my favorite are cv fights) as much as anyone else but the current setup will lend itself to hordes rolling bases as the major way to effect land grabs.  I use noe's to try and gain back land that we have lost or to keep an enemy off balance.  I rarely use them to "roll" other countries.

Not to be personal here but lets use the last Titanic Tuesday as a prime example.  I forget the airbase numbers but I have the film.  I logged on at 9pm est to see that the knits had taken alot of the bishop western territory.  I saw two full nit darbars rolling a base.  Nits were swarming us with fiters and dropping the fhs frequently with buffs.  Bish were clearly outnumbered and having trouble getting alt to oppose the waves of buffs coming in. Yet you were buzzing around in a 262 picking guys off???  I bit my tongue but found it ironic having already read several of your posts in the "new radar" thread.  Is that the fun aircombat fight you are advocating?   Are 262s the type of plane you are advocating to encourage game enjoyment when you already outnumber the side you are fighting??  Rooks/nits were barely fighting but that is the fight you chose to be in.  Now I'm not here to whine about being ganged etc etc...thats just part of the game.  The only option we had was to up 8 p51s and drop fhs at the base you guys were flying from.  So then we had fhs dead at BOTH airfields and that is how the rest of the night went.  Personally I can't stand that game play but there weren't any other options left to counter being heavily outnumbered by a country who seemed determined to roll us.  Having an option to NOE would have been a reasonable counter to keep the nits off balance imho (because they weren't using any other bases...they were all concentrated at just one).  Currently "porking" and "dropping fhs" are the only options we will have when we are being rolled.

I see guys typing about how we "will adapt" etc.  No worries...this is not a new sitaution we find ourselves in...this is the way it was years ago and porking ord, killing troops, dropping fhs  etc is what you must do to prevent land grabbing.  To me having to do those things are the furthest things away from aircombat i can imagine and i hope that is not where we end up.

Hitech has been right in the past so i will wait and see how this plays out...these are just my opinions on what will evolve.  The only winners here are the guys who like to pad their fiter scores by hanging arouond the edges of these battles picking off trgts and landing their kills.  They truly don't care about the capture as much as having guys occupied  so they can become targets of opportunity.  You know the type of pilot I am referring to and I don't typically place you or your squad in that category. :salute
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Re: HTC give us the choice!!!!!!
« Reply #88 on: June 26, 2010, 07:22:22 AM »
Falconwng:
Nothing has happend that prevents guys from working together and accomplishing something. It just means that a different tactic needs to be used or the tactic itself is just a bit more challenging now. ( Have the guys practice staying below 65ft.)
I have been on both sides of the typical NOE raid. I know what goes on during these raids. I have witnessed guys in the mission screaming on vox "Ho that guy coming to town". "I have no ammo, I'm going to ram him". Being on the other side of the raid, I have been victim of the sarcastic <S> from the raiders being I was the only one upping trying to defend, but they got the capture. Totally classless if you ask me.

These guys you claim to be "elitists" and score padders have shown more class through the years than these guys smash grabbing bases. They don't pound their chests if they get the kill on 2038587 or vulched 20 easy kills. They throw a <S> to guys no matter how new they are to the game, but how well they try. I have witnessed many of them offering help, some devoting time for me in the TA to give me pointers.

Ever been on a mission where you have that poor 2 weeker drive the only goon and see what happens to him when he drops troops over the field? Has any armchair general that leads these missions say " its ok, lets meet in the TA and I will show you how to drop troops". Heck no, that guy gets berated and the armchair general is too busy trying to organize the next horde to piss off the other side.
So I ask..who are the true "elitists" here?

If HTC implemented a "no vulch" rule, I would be fine. although I like a good vulch now and then, I understand too much of it upsets game play. Same with spawn camping etc.
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Re: HTC give us the choice!!!!!!
« Reply #89 on: June 26, 2010, 08:08:28 AM »

If HTC implemented a "no vulch" rule, I would be fine. although I like a good vulch now and then, I understand too much of it upsets game play. Same with spawn camping etc.


Personally, I have no issue with vulching and dont see why anyone would. If im in a fight/furball and we push the fight over the enemy  base and establish a cap on it imo we earned the vulch and eventually the base. Same goes for if i get forced back over my own field. I really dont see the point in not vulching someone who's trying to take off from a base you're trying to CAP. What are we suppose to do? "Honorably" let them roll and shoot them when they're doing about 170-200mph? Or do we wait 'til they're at least 5k agl and 300mph?  :headscratch:
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