Herding Arenas !!!

[kilo2]

OK complain all you want, it isn't going to change. Either accept it, or go play WoW.

So I can still complain. Who cares if its going to change or not. At least they know not everyone is happy with it.

Thats the great thing I don't have to accept it or leave.

[bmwgs]

OK complain all you want, it isn't going to change. Either accept it, or go play WoW.

That's a pretty blanket statement.  I find it hard to believe that HTC does not listen to their customers, it being a complainant or praise.

Fred

[Traveler]

Suggest away, HTC has stated that they will not go back to a single main arena full time. They have the proof in numbers that it was bad for the game.


What don't you people get? 

Except on Tuesday.

[Traveler]

  I hear more rants about TT than any other day of the week because of the huge numbers and people having FR and lag problems.

Not according to HT, HT has stated on more then one occasion that any one server could hold up to 1000 players with no great impact.  I asked him directly 4 years ago when all this cap business started.  The reasons for the caps was not to improve performance.

[Traveler]

Suggest away, HTC has stated that they will not go back to a single main arena full time. They have the proof in numbers that it was bad for the game.


What don't you people get? 

What I don't get is if no caps is "bad for the game" why TT?  What I don't get is "the proff in numbers" doesn't exists on Tusdays, What I don't get is why that should make you "rolleyes".

[The Fugitive]

What I don't get is if no caps is "bad for the game" why TT?  What I don't get is "the proff in numbers" doesn't exists on Tusdays, What I don't get is why that should make you "rolleyes".

One night a week isn't going to hurt his business, people have a choice. I don't fly on Tuesdays due to the atmosphere (tho I'm going to try it again now that the radar has been changed) and that is my choice. If it was every night my choice would be to cancel my subscription like many others did.

HTC has said that it isn't going to change. In all the years here I've only seen him change 2 things back. He knows people think this sucks, but when it comes to his business or disappointing people, my guess is he's going to side with his business.

[gyrene81]

Not according to HT, HT has stated on more then one occasion that any one server could hold up to 1000 players with no great impact. 

No great impact on the server is what he meant. A lot of people still experience frame rate drops and lag issues when there is a lot of activity, those symptoms do not affect the server.

[TW9]

I never really liked the caps but only because with the huge maps the action across the board is pretty watered down. If the maps reflected the avg amount of players per arena on any given night (Ie 1/2 to 3/4 the current amount of fields) it wouldn't bother me so much.

[AWwrgwy]

Hilights from: http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,289630.0.html

One, single thread from 2 (gasp!) months ago.   

More people = a social cess pool

Been there, done that.

Quote from: ZetaNine on May 23, 2010, 03:15:09 PM                                                       
this is like asking NBC in the mid 90's to move Seinfeld away from Thursday night.

too many of the old timers here are jaded...and there are other ways to appease them... (open a "Skilled Ace" Arena and cap it at 50) 

titanic tuesday is a smash hit...there's no denying that.


No it is not.  Total arena numbers are lower for TT than any other night of the week.  It does exactly what we knew it would do and what we witnessed before we switched to the split arenas.


Quote from: ZetaNine on May 23, 2010, 03:20:45 PM
total cop out.


Nope.  It is quantifiable.  You can chose not to believe that, but that does not make any less of a truth.  Do you really think we sit around here trying to find ways to piss off the customer base?

we have explained it many many times, go do some research because even if we explain it again you still will not believe the simple facts.

More people have fun, HTC makes more money.

When I have a choice of creating more fun or not, what do you believe I will always choose.

Is it possible I put my money where my mouth is when I do research on arena changes and the effect of that arena change along with all other things we do?

HiTech

No it does not always make a difference on bigger maps. Past a certain point making maps bigger does not allow for more players.

First, we used to play only small maps, players asked to also have the bigger maps included,so now there is a mixture.

2nd it does not change the problem of people not being able to get into a full arena.

3d When 1 arena is a large map and the other is a small one (this currently happens) has it changed the issue in any way?

And multiple arenas is here to stay, the only issue is different ways to split the populations reasonably equaly. I may try just simple multiple arenas all at 150.
HiTech

I see once again you do not wish to find the answer to your question by doing a few searches. And you have it completely backward we retain more players with a split arena, this is not debatable but a proven fact.


HiTech

Quote from: ZetaNine on May 24, 2010, 09:44:34 PM
at the risk of beating a dead horse....perhaps a customer email survey would be a good idea.


That will never happen.  I will fight that to my dieing day to make sure that never happens.  This is how companies get labeled as SPAMMERS.  We already have a problem with several ISP's and free email services due to people complaining about getting emails from us.  You know the emails about billing warnings, answers to support questions and stuff.

You have no idea how many actually get the email, read the email, or answer the email due to the problems associated with SPAM control.

A survey is not going to tell HiTech anything that is not already known about this situation. 

As a matter of fact, this very thread shows how the customer would run us out of business to get what they want.  We cannot sustain growth with a single large format arena.  It cannot be done.  Anything that could be done to try and sustain it was tried.  Still, even after years of explaining it, over and over again, we still have people coming in here lamenting about it.

Persoanlly, I spend more time on this topic than anything else I do.  Yes, I know people allow themselves to get frustrated by it.  People also stubbornly cling to the idea that the only arena to have fun in is where the biggest numbers are.  That is a paradigm I wish I could change.  It would make all of this moot.

If you want to help, come up with a better way to implement the split arenas.  Keeping in mind the goal is to make sure they are all populated with enough players to make those arenas fun to play in.  Also keep in mind, HiTech has already tried numerous methods before settling on the current one.

Quote from: A8EJay on May 25, 2010, 08:17:50 AM
If all the arenas are capped at 150, you will 2 players right away, me and my bro.  Not everyone likes small crowds in the arenas.  The only thing that made me want to quit when i first started is the attitude of some of the players on the game, just downright rude and dont yu dare ask for ANY kinda help when youyr new, all u get is ALT-F4 anwsers.   Not threating just saying.  And what exactly is the limit when things start to turn into a "cesspool"?  300? 400?


And this is why I would never run a poll on these type of topics.


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The only thing that made me want to quit when i first started is the attitude of some of the players on the game, just downright rude and dont yu dare ask for ANY kinda help when youyr new, all u get is ALT-F4 anwsers.

What if larger arena's promote more of this type behavior. We have a man who will leave even though he does not see that the larger arena is creating the reason he is leaving.

The key to this is give people what they want, not what they ask for, because most often they are 2 very different things.

HiTech

Shall I continue?


wrongway

[Reaper90]

I like split arenas. I pretty much avoid TT becuase with soooo many people on my FR is terrible and I see wayyy too much lag.

Split arenas = good. One big arena = bad (for HT's business, us, the children, the whales, etc etc)

But I still haven't heard anyone give me one single good reason that an arena EVER has to capped at a rediculously low number like 100 or 150 people, especially a big map.

Bueller? Bueller?

[AWwrgwy]

I like split arenas. I pretty much avoid TT becuase with soooo many people on my FR is terrible and I see wayyy too much lag.

Split arenas = good. One big arena = bad (for HT's business, us, the children, the whales, etc etc)

But I still haven't heard anyone give me one single good reason that an arena EVER has to capped at a rediculously low number like 100 or 150 people, especially a big map.

Bueller? Bueller?

The lower the cap begins the faster the two arenas equalize.  No other reason.



wrongway

[Reaper90]

The lower the cap begins the faster the two arenas equalize.  No other reason.



wrongway

Unless you're like me (and I think a lot of people are, because I have ZERO interest in spending what time I have available in a nearly empty arena fighting auto-ack and wishing there was a con somewhere to engage), where you either 1) give up, log, and go do something else, or 2) wait however long it takes and however many tries it takes (wasted time IMHO) to get into the arena where something is happening.

Like I said, I'm not opposed to the caps, but I just feel the numbers they're capped at should be reasonable. If I'm locked out because I'm the 251st or 301st person, well, they were getting full anyway and had reached the point where more is not better, so to speak.

100 or 150 is rediculous and irritating.

[AWwrgwy]

Unless you're like me (and I think a lot of people are, because I have ZERO interest in spending what time I have available in a nearly empty arena fighting auto-ack and wishing there was a con somewhere to engage), where you either 1) give up, log, and go do something else, or 2) wait however long it takes and however many tries it takes (wasted time IMHO) to get into the arena where something is happening.

Like I said, I'm not opposed to the caps, but I just feel the numbers they're capped at should be reasonable. If I'm locked out because I'm the 251st or 301st person, well, they were getting full anyway and had reached the point where more is not better, so to speak.

100 or 150 is ridiculous and irritating.

But raising the cap just exasperates the problem.  It would keep the disparity between the two arenas even longer.

At least with the 100 or 150 cap the larger arena isn't an issue because there is essentially the same number of people in both arenas.  It invalidates the argument that everyone uses about being in the "bigger" arena because there is no "bigger" arena.

It seems like your problem is there is only 100 or 150 people to fight instead of the caps.


wrongway

[TW9]

shadup wrongway you're making too much sence

[guncrasher]

both ma arenas are usually off by 100 or more players, this is not equality.


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