Joystick Scaling

[GlassJaw]

I'm not sure if this is possible or not, I guess it could be a hardware limitation... but it would be nice to have additional resolution in the joystick scaling tables.  Perhaps 2-3x what we have now would be ideal.

[Ghosth]

I don't think I understand what your asking for.

If slider is placed at the very bottom of the scale = 0 input.
If slider is placed at the very top of the scale = 100% input.

How can you increase resolution in a joystick?

You can set where it picks up input in the center with deadband.
Damper it or tone it down with the Damper.

But max input = max input, you can't bring the elevator up more than max deflection.

Just what joystick are you talking about anyway?

[gyrene81]

I think he's talking about increasing the number of scaling sliders. Increasing the number sliders may give some minute improvement to fine tuning. I've seen a couple of games with more sliders but didn't notice that much difference in effects of the adjustments.

[GlassJaw]

Yep, looking for more of those sliders, more resolution so the game can more correcly model my control inputs.

[lulu]

Let's add edit fields to input values directly.
It's TIME!

 

[Ack-Ack]

Let's add edit fields to input values directly.
It's TIME!

 

You can, just open up the stick .jsf file and add in your own values.

ack-ack

[wngover]

How about separate scaling for GVs and Aircraft?  Also what about a "fine/slow" toggle?  I have a very difficult time with my scaling working effectively on both GVs and ACs without having to modify it each time I switch.

[OOZ662]

How about separate scaling for GVs and Aircraft?

Do scales carry over between joystick modes or can you set them independently already? I don't actually know.

[AWwrgwy]

Do scales carry over between joystick modes or can you set them independently already? I don't actually know.

Separate now.

You can scale different for each mode just like you can set different buttons and commands for each mode.


wrongway

[OOZ662]

Well, there ya go.

[Ghosth]

Exactly so.

As to increased Resolution.

If I measure my sticks "throw" from center to full deflection. It is aprox 2.5 inches. That is divided into 10 sliders.
Which actually gives you quite good resolution. Anything more than that is a whole lot of work for what gain???
 

[GlassJaw]

So youre not capable of making stick inputs of less than .25"?   

To make my control inputs reasonably smooth I set the scaling steps small on the low end and sacrifice resolution at the high end.  I've talked to many experianced sticks that set them up this way.  Additional steps would help smooth out the curve on the right side of the scale.

Exactly so.

As to increased Resolution.

If I measure my sticks "throw" from center to full deflection. It is aprox 2.5 inches. That is divided into 10 sliders.
Which actually gives you quite good resolution. Anything more than that is a whole lot of work for what gain???
 

[321BAR]

now what exactly is a slider?


I've never touched them. don't think i have to unless someone explains to me an advantage to setting the sliders up

[OOZ662]

I've never touched them. don't think i have to unless someone explains to me an advantage to setting the sliders up

Very fine control and reduction in nose bounce. It's hard for me to describe, but if you set your stick up right, you can get very fine control in the range of gun solutions and it helps to overcome the "break-out force" on some sticks like the X-52.
Personally, I'm a control freak and set my sliders to their full extent. This is because I've personally become very good at concentrating during a shot and move my stick in small movements, reducing nose bounce. People with less accurate sticks or that get too excited can set the scaling to overcome that for them. Basically, the higher your sliders are set up, the more "violent" your stick becomes. If you set them too low, your reaction time will be slowed as when you jerk the stick back, the input slowly swoops up after it.

I see the most effect in GVing. By using a sliding scale there, very very fine adjustments can be made. Much more fine than would ever be required for flying. Having a joystick that requires very little deadband also helps.

[AWwrgwy]

So youre not capable of making stick inputs of less than .25"?   

To make my control inputs reasonably smooth I set the scaling steps small on the low end and sacrifice resolution at the high end.  I've talked to many experianced sticks that set them up this way.  Additional steps would help smooth out the curve on the right side of the scale.

Curious.

Screen shot?


wrongway