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Offline 1carbine

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Re: Thinking about getting a Pistol, need some advice.
« Reply #60 on: July 17, 2010, 01:11:09 AM »
Quote from: mbailey on July 16, 2010, 04:12:32 PM
Hot loads or accidentially double charged a reload. I see that happen occasionally. ( i help a friend out that owns an indoor gunrange / gunstore, I usually work the gun store, but am on the range occasionally.) Guns "usually" dont have catastrophic loss like that due to poor manufacturing

I PACKED powder into a .45ACP load and shot it through my P220 guess what no boom and it still hits the bullseye every time.
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Re: Thinking about getting a Pistol, need some advice.
« Reply #61 on: July 17, 2010, 09:34:13 AM »
Quote from: 1carbine on July 17, 2010, 12:14:45 AM
Just joking with you but if you want something to defend yourself the 9mm is no good. Target shooting maybe but the .40 would be better just in case you know.

That's a pretty ridiculous statement...

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Re: Thinking about getting a Pistol, need some advice.
« Reply #62 on: July 17, 2010, 10:05:14 AM »
Quote from: katanaso on July 17, 2010, 09:34:13 AM
That's a pretty ridiculous statement...


Well I hope when you wake up from a deep sleep your ready to shoot for an IDPA match cuz that bullet does not have the mass to knock someone on there ass

This isn't me but it gave me a chuckle.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0m3nUM5DLhg&playnext_from=TL&videos=KW4BDQ4FmWY
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Re: Thinking about getting a Pistol, need some advice.
« Reply #63 on: July 17, 2010, 10:58:10 AM »
Quote from: 1carbine on July 17, 2010, 01:11:09 AM
I PACKED powder into a .45ACP load and shot it through my P220 guess what no boom and it still hits the bullseye every time.

Sig 220 is a metal gun not polymer.

I only speak from seeing it multiple times on the range where i work occasionally. Had a nice young fella get a ride to the hospital just a month ago with a part of his finger missing, and bits of Glock in his face from a double charged round. Thank god for safety glasses, or we would have been calling him winkie for the rest of his life. It shattered the lens of his glasses ( oh FYI Browning shooting glasses really do work well )

  You may get lucky doing that (packing in the powder)but eventually its gonna bite u in the backside,or destroy your guns internal workings,bbl,slide rails,springs  etc.

Just curious how many grains of powder do you consider packed? What kind of powder? Some are hotter than others? (dont take this as confrontational, im just curious )
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Re: Thinking about getting a Pistol, need some advice.
« Reply #64 on: July 17, 2010, 10:59:11 AM »
Quote from: 1carbine on July 17, 2010, 10:05:14 AM
Well I hope when you wake up from a deep sleep your ready to shoot for an IDPA match cuz that bullet does not have the mass to knock someone on there ass

This isn't me but it gave me a chuckle.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0m3nUM5DLhg&playnext_from=TL&videos=KW4BDQ4FmWY

Hows does performing in an IDPA match have anything to do with the stopping ability?  Or as you put it "mass to knock someone on there ass"...(spelling error included).

Are you expecting a person to fly backwards after being shot like in the movies?

For you to get a clue, scroll down to section 3 and read the FBI results on penetation depth and expansion:

http://www.firearmstactical.com/ammo_data/9mm.htm

http://www.firearmstactical.com/ammo_data/40s&w.htm

http://www.firearmstactical.com/ammo_data/45acp.htm



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Re: Thinking about getting a Pistol, need some advice.
« Reply #65 on: July 17, 2010, 11:20:09 AM »
Quote from: Obie303 on July 16, 2010, 07:36:08 PM
Not a fan of the Glock either.  I'll take a Sig or Kimber any day.

I have no issues with the Glocks, But my primary CCWs are Sigs (229)and Kimbers (Pro Carry CDP) Fantastic guns!!

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Re: Thinking about getting a Pistol, need some advice.
« Reply #66 on: July 17, 2010, 12:23:46 PM »
Quote from: 1carbine on July 17, 2010, 10:05:14 AM
Well I hope when you wake up from a deep sleep your ready to shoot for an IDPA match cuz that bullet does not have the mass to knock someone on there ass

This isn't me but it gave me a chuckle.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0m3nUM5DLhg&playnext_from=TL&videos=KW4BDQ4FmWY
I don't mind testing that out on you, maybe you're right, you'll get back up with no problem; except a hole in your head...
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Re: Thinking about getting a Pistol, need some advice.
« Reply #67 on: July 17, 2010, 11:59:03 PM »
Quote from: katanaso on July 17, 2010, 10:59:11 AM
Hows does performing in an IDPA match have anything to do with the stopping ability?  Or as you put it "mass to knock someone on there ass"...(spelling error included).

Are you expecting a person to fly backwards after being shot like in the movies?

For you to get a clue, scroll down to section 3 and read the FBI results on penetation depth and expansion:

http://www.firearmstactical.com/ammo_data/9mm.htm

http://www.firearmstactical.com/ammo_data/40s&w.htm

http://www.firearmstactical.com/ammo_data/45acp.htm





What spelling error? spell check doesn't say anything (But it does show your misspelling) and no not flying back, bullet weight it's the difference between getting hit with a baseball or a baseball bat. "Performing" in an IDPA match has nothing to do with stopping power, It has to do with shot placement.
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Re: Thinking about getting a Pistol, need some advice.
« Reply #68 on: July 18, 2010, 12:03:30 AM »
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BTW, I'd rather hit him with a baseball than miss with a bat.
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Re: Thinking about getting a Pistol, need some advice.
« Reply #69 on: July 18, 2010, 07:13:48 AM »
Quote from: 1carbine on July 17, 2010, 11:59:03 PM
What spelling error? spell check doesn't say anything (But it does show your misspelling) and no not flying back, bullet weight it's the difference between getting hit with a baseball or a baseball bat. "Performing" in an IDPA match has nothing to do with stopping power, It has to do with shot placement.

Did you even look at the links I provided which showed the tables regarding penetation and expansion?

Have you looked further to compare the kinetic energy of a 9mm round vs a .40 round?

Have you done any research on your own, or are you recycling things you heard while in a gun shop?

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Well I hope when you wake up from a deep sleep your ready to shoot for an IDPA match cuz that bullet does not have the mass to knock someone on there ass
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"Performing" in an IDPA match has nothing to do with stopping power, It has to do with shot placement.

You're contradicting yourself.

I'll be back this afternoon if you want to continue this debate.  I'm actually going to the range for a few hours now  ;)







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Re: Thinking about getting a Pistol, need some advice.
« Reply #70 on: July 20, 2010, 04:02:25 PM »
Everyone of the below pics of damaged Glocks were caused by ammunition failures.  Double charged reloads and reloading brass with bulges are very common causes of those failures.  All firearms are vulnerable to those failures.  Glocks are not unique in not being able to maintain integrity during catastrophic ammunition failures.

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Re: Thinking about getting a Pistol, need some advice.
« Reply #71 on: July 20, 2010, 04:10:59 PM »
Quote from: 1carbine on July 17, 2010, 01:11:09 AM
I PACKED powder into a .45ACP load and shot it through my P220 guess what no boom and it still hits the bullseye every time.

Be careful "packing" powder into any cartridge.  Please follow the reloading tables for the cartridge...  Any thing other than that is just asking for trouble.  Don't care what pistol you are using....just plain dangerous...



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Re: Thinking about getting a Pistol, need some advice.
« Reply #72 on: July 20, 2010, 04:30:29 PM »
Quote from: Masherbrum on July 15, 2010, 04:17:33 PM
I like my HK USP 45.
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The HK45 Compact is fun to shoot too.
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Re: Thinking about getting a Pistol, need some advice.
« Reply #73 on: July 20, 2010, 07:53:33 PM »
Quote from: Spikes on July 20, 2010, 04:30:29 PM
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The HK45 Compact is fun to shoot too.

QFT, always reliable and a real tack driver
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Re: Thinking about getting a Pistol, need some advice.
« Reply #74 on: July 20, 2010, 08:08:26 PM »
Quote from: mbailey on July 20, 2010, 07:53:33 PM
QFT, always reliable and a real tack driver

Agreed.  Both the full size and compact were always a pleasure to shoot.
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