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Re: I am so mad...
« Reply #45 on: August 15, 2010, 11:02:13 AM »
Ok,

As a native New Yorker and a person who has parents who were rescue workers at Ground Zero (Mom, NYPD Retired 2004, Dad, NYPD Retired 2009) let me say that the mosque is being contested for the wrong reasons.

The main reason why this mosque has no right to exist is that the vast majority of the muslim population in NYC live in the outer boroughs of the city.

The main population is based in Brooklyn with the rest being scattered around in Queens and the Bronx with a very slim minority being based in Manhattan.

Why make it so that your congregation must commute to downtown Manhattan?

The only thing this points to is that they want to make a statment by doing the equivalent of going to ground zero, pulling down their pants, and slapping their behinds at us while mooing loudly.

It's an insult directed at NYC and the US by building a mosque that close to hallowed ground.

Sorry If I get the thread locked but that's basically the situation that we're dealing with right now.

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Re: I am so mad...
« Reply #46 on: August 15, 2010, 11:42:30 AM »

if you would hate an entire people for the actions of a very limited few then you have no reason to complain about or be angered by the actions of those who retaliate against us for what WE as Americans, Christians and whites have done to all other races creeds and cultures, including but not limited to the actions of those terrorist on 9/11.

you are a hypocrite if you make demands for revenge against those you should first be seeking redemption from.

Good old white American guilt huh? No thanks, I believe the good we have done in the world far outweighs the bad.

Most of these big affronts we have committed occurred last century. Of late we bend over backwards for every other religion, creed, nationality.

They seem intent on bending us over forwards.

Why can't non white, non Christians ever show some political correctness toward us?

They have the right to build a damn mosque wherever so why do it there, other than to stick their middle finger in our faces and laugh at us?

I won't be consumed with white guilt when the thing is constantly vandalized and maybe destroyed by angry people either, but then that's probably what they hope will happen isn't it? so they can play the race, victim card against us evil Americans.
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Re: I am so mad...
« Reply #47 on: August 15, 2010, 12:52:35 PM »
Good old white American guilt huh? No thanks, I believe the good we have done in the world far outweighs the bad.

Most of these big affronts we have committed occurred last century. Of late we bend over backwards for every other religion, creed, nationality.

They seem intent on bending us over forwards.

Why can't non white, non Christians ever show some political correctness toward us?

They have the right to build a damn mosque wherever so why do it there, other than to stick their middle finger in our faces and laugh at us?

I won't be consumed with white guilt when the thing is constantly vandalized and maybe destroyed by angry people either, but then that's probably what they hope will happen isn't it? so they can play the race, victim card against us evil Americans.

I understand your point and trust in this, I suffer NO white guilt syndrome!

I am half French and half German and extremely proud of the accomplishments of my forfathers and my heritage.

But one thing that I have besides pride is a sense of right and wrong, and the knowledge that if you perpetuate evil upon others then you have no room for complaint when they return the favor.

Now do not misconstrue what i have said as a statement that i believe that 9/11 was justified in ANY manner!

what i am saying is that we ourselves have been guilty of equal if not greater atrocities but we demand that the world allow us to put Church's and Synagogues and the like anywhere and everywhere, including on the ground soaked in the blood of those we have concored.

They want a mosque of some significance and they want it in a place that symbolises their own losses of the past how many hundred years that Christians/Jews have been butchering them.

they want to be accepted as equals in the world and they want to be a part of the world. what better way to symbolise this than to place a mosque in a place that world discusses everyday? they, as a world community and culture, want to separate themselves from the fanatics and those who would preach violence as a solution. they wish to establish a symbol of solidarity with the world against the action of those few extremist who disgrace the name of Allah and Islam.

remember Muslim blood was spilled that day, not just the blood of guilty white people. actually, many of those that died on that day were not white or Christian/Jewish. Many races cultures and religions may make claim to suffering losses from those despicable acts on that day.

Question......How many Church's and Synagogues are now standing in Jerusalem????? How many Muslims died for that to be possible??? Should the Muslims be allowed to knock those buildings down because they are obviously an affront and an insult to the memory of every Muslim that died at the hands of those who invaded their home?

if they want a Mosque, let them build it. let them build it in peace to show that we, those of us who are white and non-Muslim, respect those of the Muslim faith that do not preach violence and those many many Muslims who have given and are continuing to give their lives in the fight against fanatical terrorist and extremists.

To preempt the obvious arguments that will arise from my reference to Israel and Jerusalem because Christian and Jewish alike believe that their ancestors once owned it and were therefor entitled to retaking it, i would say if that is the argument then we (whites, Christians/Jewish) have no grounds for complaint about the tragedy of 9/11, the only people who would have the right to complain about any attack on the mainland of the USA, would be the American Indians.

let those who would live in peace with us live their lives with the same respect dignity and honor that we ourselves demand in the lands of others that we have harmed and yet reside in.
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Re: I am so mad...
« Reply #48 on: August 15, 2010, 01:50:22 PM »
I agree with Flotsom, what better way to show the radical Muslims of the world that what they did that day didn't change us as a people or make us hate all Muslims because of the actions of a few bad apples that distort the teachings of that faith, because thats one of the things they really wanted that day was to make this a war of us against all Muslim people of the world and unfortunately it seems that they were able to accomplish that.
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« Reply #49 on: August 15, 2010, 02:05:35 PM »
I understand your point and trust in this, I suffer NO white guilt syndrome!

I am half French and half German and extremely proud of the accomplishments of my forfathers and my heritage.

But one thing that I have besides pride is a sense of right and wrong, and the knowledge that if you perpetuate evil upon others then you have no room for complaint when they return the favor.

Now do not misconstrue what i have said as a statement that i believe that 9/11 was justified in ANY manner!

what i am saying is that we ourselves have been guilty of equal if not greater atrocities but we demand that the world allow us to put Church's and Synagogues and the like anywhere and everywhere, including on the ground soaked in the blood of those we have concored.

Hundreds upon hundreds of years ago, when society was still ruled by the roman catholic church and we were fresh off the collapse of the roman empire,this argument is valid. Or is it? The crusades came about only because the muslim empires conquered and killed and kept proding at the the christian empires untill finally, that's enough of these shenanagins, CRUSADE! And we are not guilty of greater attrocities, as the modern radical islam is MODERN. What is this the 1500's? Attacking western countries Just because we aren't islam. Well, that's just uncalled for.

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They want a mosque of some significance and they want it in a place that symbolises their own losses of the past how many hundred years that Christians/Jews have been butchering them.

I think there should be a guide to retribution. Almost like a time limit. I think 800 years is enough time to forgive and forget, dont you think? This whole killing of innocent civilians and using the excuse of retribution thing is getting really old and unapllicable. It's like saying, "Gee, remember how Great britain burned washington DC in the war of 1812? I think we should massacre everbody in britain because of it."

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they want to be accepted as equals in the world and they want to be a part of the world. what better way to symbolise this than to place a mosque in a place that world discusses everyday? they, as a world community and culture, want to separate themselves from the fanatics and those who would preach violence as a solution. they wish to establish a symbol of solidarity with the world against the action of those few extremist who disgrace the name of Allah and Islam.

They don't want to move away from the extremists. The original teachings of islam call for violence against non muslims and no assimilation between them. Theyre still living in the dark ages and they have little desire to get out. See the islamic world's reaction after 9/11 with alot of them praising the attacks. It was ALLAH's will in their opinion.

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remember Muslim blood was spilled that day, not just the blood of guilty white people. actually, many of those that died on that day were not white or Christian/Jewish. Many races cultures and religions may make claim to suffering losses from those despicable acts on that day.

Umm, what? Who is the guilty party? And what muslim blood? There was almost no retribution taken against the muslims after 9/11. We barely saw any domestic violence and vioclence against muslims at all.

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Question......How many Church's and Synagogues are now standing in Jerusalem????? How many Muslims died for that to be possible??? Should the Muslims be allowed to knock those buildings down because they are obviously an affront and an insult to the memory of every Muslim that died at the hands of those who invaded their home?

So Israel has authority to knock down mosques and churches because they were driven out of the holy land by muslim armies? I guess, I mean they were there first.

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if they want a Mosque, let them build it. let them build it in peace to show that we, those of us who are white and non-Muslim, respect those of the Muslim faith that do not preach violence and those many many Muslims who have given and are continuing to give their lives in the fight against fanatical terrorist and extremists.

To preempt the obvious arguments that will arise from my reference to Israel and Jerusalem because Christian and Jewish alike believe that their ancestors once owned it and were therefor entitled to retaking it, i would say if that is the argument then we (whites, Christians/Jewish) have no grounds for complaint about the tragedy of 9/11, the only people who would have the right to complain about any attack on the mainland of the USA, would be the American Indians.

The jews dont believe their ancestors once owned it, They KNOW their ancestors owned the land. And they wouldnt even have been there today in the first place if the holocaust never happened. And the palestinians wouldnt have Been driven out of palestine if they had left israel alone instead of declare war against them and attack them along with 5 other muslim countries. It's a miracle israel survived that attack. I think they earned cannan back after that. And they just keep prodding israel expecting a different result other than getting their teeth kicked in. Israel is fine keeping with themselves living in peace with islam, but every time they tried to make peace, the palestinians show them why it's impossible to do so. Israeli civilians pay for these peace attempts.

And I am actually insulted by your ignorance about us complaining about a mainland attack on the US. It would have just been war if it WASNT JUST A BLATANT ATTACK ON CIVILIANS. No strategic goal, no tactical goal, nothing is gained by them except pissing us off royally and killing thousands of INNOCENT CIVILIANS.

They should be thanking allah we didnt find 9/11 good enough grounds to turn the middle east into a sheet of glass.

And about the indians, This is the 21st century. I dont know what time period you are currently living in but it's nowhere near the present. They dont pay taxes. That's all we can really give them. The american indian is almost erradicated because of us, and only now we are feeling sorry for them? NO! stop that. We are a modern culture and we must get over our mistakes and move on. We must learn from the past but we cannot dwell on it. There is no way to change what already happened. 

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let those who would live in peace with us live their lives with the same respect dignity and honor that we ourselves demand in the lands of others that we have harmed and yet reside in.

I cant even decypher that last sentence so I will add a dancing bananna to close.  :banana:
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Re: I am so mad...
« Reply #50 on: August 15, 2010, 02:17:20 PM »
edited for accuracy of facts........

well i was starting to respond but you obviously have no idea of historical fact or cultural back ground, nor have you taken the time to read in depth the Bible or the Koran. i would suggest that you go spend some time in a library before you enter into any conversation dealing with these topics. it is people like you, ignorant and refusing to believe in your own heritage and history that make the rest of Americans look just as pathetic as the Islamic extremist that promote violence against us.

you are so inaccurate on every point that you made that the only thing i can respond with is




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Re: I am so mad...
« Reply #51 on: August 15, 2010, 02:21:43 PM »
Go ahead. Show me your historical facts, Prove me wrong, make me revoke my previous statements.

I have no problem with eating my own words as long as they are proven to be incorrect.

Dancing bananna doesnt count as a dignified response.

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« Reply #52 on: August 15, 2010, 02:26:34 PM »
Go ahead. Show me your historical facts, Prove me wrong, make me revoke my previous statements.

I have no problem with eating my own words as long as they are proven to be incorrect.

Dancing bananna doesnt count as a dignified response.

i would consider an intellectual conversation on these historical facts, but this thread will soon be locked and i do not want an argument with anyone. if you wish to discuss this in private feel free to PM me. we can carry on in private as long as you agree to a civilized and none insult ridden debate of facts.

the dancing banana may not be dignified........but damn he is funny :)
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« Reply #53 on: August 15, 2010, 02:38:21 PM »
See the islamic world's reaction after 9/11 with alot of them praising the attacks. It was ALLAH's will in their opinion.

You understand that you were still only seeing a small but vocal part of those societies, you can't say that there were millions of Muslims dancing in the streets after 9/11, most I saw in one place was maybe a hundred, so by that logic if they show on T.V a bunch of skin heads in the streets spouting racist rants that must mean all white people are feeling that way?
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Re: I am so mad...
« Reply #54 on: August 15, 2010, 02:47:30 PM »
I could post some more pictures of witches.....

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« Reply #55 on: August 15, 2010, 02:48:25 PM »
You understand that you were still only seeing a small but vocal part of those societies, you can't say that there were millions of Muslims dancing in the streets after 9/11, most I saw in one place was maybe a hundred, so by that logic if they show on T.V a bunch of skin heads in the streets spouting racist rants that must mean all white people are feeling that way?

It's not exactly a small margin. The Muslim world didnt have the uproar against the extremists that needed to happen to show that they were against terrorism and that these people were indeed AWOL and hijacking the peaceful intentions of the true islam.

And the only reason they didnt have the major party for 9/11 is because directly after, we had that phase where we were gonna crack down on terrorism and if youre connected to terrorism we will make sure you get yours. Obviously this phase didnt last and Death to America resumed, muslim protests proclaiming the european 9/11 coming started up, and Leaders of muslim nations acknowledged 9/11 as allah's will and that america had it coming.

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« Reply #56 on: August 15, 2010, 03:05:40 PM »
So let me get this so I'm sure I have it right, you believe that a majority of Muslims here at home & abroad hate us and want to kill us & everyone else who isn't Muslim?
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« Reply #57 on: August 15, 2010, 03:14:34 PM »
your mad......lol

your mad.......you are not the only one.

but I am pissed due to an entirely  different reason.

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« Reply #58 on: August 15, 2010, 03:17:39 PM »
That's not what I said.

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They don't want to move away from the extremists. The original teachings of islam call for violence against non muslims and no assimilation between them. Theyre still living in the dark ages and they have little desire to get out. See the islamic world's reaction after 9/11 with alot of them praising the attacks. It was ALLAH's will in their opinion.

It's directed at the leaders, IE. achmademejad or however you spell his name, and quaddaffi or however you spell his name. (google isnt working for me right now)

They praised 9/11 as an act of god and that we deserved it. They call America evil and that we are a devil regime. They hide terrorists and supply them with weapons.

The muslim people, IE iran and the elections, are tired of this radical islam bullcrap that they are forced into. They see how we live and they ask, why? Why can't we assimilate? Why can't we be like them?

They see that this Jihad against the west is bull and they won't take the quaran blindly as truth and a set of rules not to be tampered with or deviated from.

The ones that will blindly accept the teachings and laws of islam, they are the problem, and unfortunately, they are quite numerous.

My uncle is palestinian. I have no problems with the people, I have major problems with what they are taught and how they interperet and follow these teachings.

And I know This thread will get locked and I may feel the impact of the banhammer, but something that close to home and that imprinted into my mind, I just had to say something.
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« Reply #59 on: August 15, 2010, 03:25:15 PM »


the dancing banana may not be dignified........but damn he is funny :)

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