BF110G

[Lusche]

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So because a few retarded losers feel like killing buildings the ride should be perked based on that, as opposed to how it performs when its used against other planes in this game....I could go kill buildings off line if i wanted to only people who care about "winning" the game care about this...its clear that compared with other planes with the similar stats the 110G is out classed with other eny planes.  Not to mention this:

 "Isn't it a bit comical that the lowest ENY German prop plane is the 110?" this is totally counter intuitive.  Most people agree with this assessment.  I also think no one cares if they can destroy towns, it dosent matter they can destroy what ever they want it wont effect most players, who just wanna fly the planes and dog fight.

You are still thinking ENY is about aerial performace only.
And that's were you are wrong. ENY is also a balancing tool for the MA gameplay, via the ENY limiter. And just because YOU do not care abot destroying towns, it doesnt make it less of a factor for overall gameplay.

I also think no one cares if they can destroy towns, it dosent matter they can destroy what ever they want it wont effect most players, who just wanna fly the planes and dog fight

Are you actually playing the game? Not everybody is playing for captures, but that's the stuff that starts & ends most battles. Heck, most missions are about captures. And if nobody cared about that stuff... why were the constant NOE hordes getting such a problem that HT even changed the dar settings?

[Yossarian]

Why are you suspicious of the hurii? It seems fine asside from its supprisingly good verticle preformance.


And lusche, the B-25H might take that title when unopposed. 21 buildings with the cannon/MG's and however many you get with the bombs.

Don't forget that the 25H's cannon's projectiles have a beautiful thing called blast radius.  If you aim your shots correctly, you can probably take out more like 30 or 35 buildings with cannons and guns alone.

[Nemisis]

Lusche, I've seen smash and grab NOE missions where there are 7 110's to kill the town and 17 fighters to form a "wall" between the base and the town. If you do it right, you could use 2-3 B-25's to kill the town, and add the 4-5 other pilots into the fighter group. I'm not saying that the B-25 is better for fast grabs, I'm just saying that it could be used to great effect if you do it right.



And milesobrian, what the hell are you smoking? As lusche said, most fights are started by base grabs or attempts. Most of the time, they end when the attempt to grab the base ends.

[milesobrian]

Most people just try to find where the fight is and just go there, its only a few people who care about capping the base the others are there for the fun of it, and to shoot down the red guys, not the static buildings on the ground.

as i stated before i realize that its good at taking down towns but that reason isnt good enough to justify the 10 eny.

[Ack-Ack]

Why are you suspicious of the hurii? It seems fine asside from its supprisingly good verticle preformance.


And lusche, the B-25H might take that title when unopposed. 21 buildings with the cannon/MG's and however many you get with the bombs.

Hurricane has surprisingly good vertical performance? 


ack-ack

[Ack-Ack]

Don't forget that the 25H's cannon's projectiles have a beautiful thing called blast radius.  If you aim your shots correctly, you can probably take out more like 30 or 35 buildings with cannons and guns alone.

you can only take down 10 buildings with the 75mm on the B-25H and maybe around 6-7 with the guns.


ack-ack

[Nemisis]

And the ENY isn't just based on ATA ability, its also based on useage, and how much of an impact is has on the MA. Why else would the F4F-4 have a lower ENY than both the A6M2 and the 109E-4? The A6M2 doesn't see much use (and so doesn't have much impact) because there is a faster, better climbing variant with more 20mm ammunition using better cannons, swaping out one of the 7.6mm MG's with a 12.7mm, that can still turn just as well.


And yes, I can gain around 2500ft in the IID when going at around 250mph.  For comparison, I've heard you can get around 6000ft in the P-38 doing 390.

And Ack-Ack, try shooting one shell at the town and then finishing it off with the .50's. It seems to be more efficent.

[Karnak]

Why are you suspicious of the hurii? It seems fine asside from its supprisingly good verticle preformance.

It rolls 50% faster than the only roll time I have ever found a quote for.  It is not nearly as slow to maneuver as the Finn's describe it.  Unlike all other fighters of its generation, except the Bf110, high speed has little effect on its maneuverability in Aces High.

Essentially I think, that had the performance of the Hurricane Mk I, Spitfire Mk I, Bf109E and Bf110C been as they are in AH the fighters being used by the British and Germans in 1945 would have been Hurricane Mk XIVs, Hurricane Mk XVIs and Bf110K-4s.

EDIT:
I think the Bf109E-4 and Spitfire Mk Ia in AH are pretty accurate.

[Plazus]

Karnak,

Please give us the quote and the source.

Also I havent had any issues with fighting the Hurris or the 110s. As long as you stay above them, you should be fine. Hell, two weeks ago I was in the Mid War arena doing 1v1s with a Hurricane 2C vs my 38G. Managed to stay above him and stall him out everytime. All of our initial merges were co alt. I think the only other issue I have with them is when someone tries to dive from 15K in their Hurri/110 to pick me while Im busy fighting someone else on the deck.

[Ack-Ack]

And yes, I can gain around 2500ft in the IID when going at around 250mph.  For comparison, I've heard you can get around 6000ft in the P-38 doing 390.

If you think it's surprisingly good in the vertical, then so be it.  It won't be the first nor the last time you've been wrong.


ack-ack

[Nemisis]

Given its low top speed, and light weight, I wouldn't have expected it to hit that mark is all. I'll have to see what it can get when I get it going 390mph.

[Karnak]

Karnak,

Please give us the quote and the source.

Sadly, I lost it long ago.  It was a quote by a modern RAF pilot contrasting the roll rate of his jet fighter to that of a Hurricane.  He gave a time of 4.5 seconds for a complete roll in the Hurri and ours does it in 3 seconds.

[BaldEagl]

The Bf110G-2 is one of the most powerful and rugged buff hunters in the game.  I guess I'm one of the few that take it high enough to use it in that role.  I've sat 600 yards dead six and taken 50+ hits from a set of B-17's, killed them all and flown home again.

It's also not as bad a fighter as people think.  Yes it's a tub but if you have an inkling of skill and know what to do it can keep you alive.  I fought a 5 minute fight one night in one against a Spit XVI.  I died in the end but that was really fun trying to avoid his shots and get one of my own.

Air to air fighter:  not so good
Air to air buff hunter:  well above average; among the best
Air to ground:  Never use it in that role... don't care.

[Karnak]

Only an anecdote, but an American P-47 pilot described the Bf110 as "meat on the table".

[321BAR]

has anyone here other than boxman, baldeagl, and I ever flown a freaking 110 above 5,000ft? seriously...its not just the ground attack that the 110 is good at. its maneuverable enough to take on a few fighters and at the same time can take a whole 7-15 bombers down in less than a minute or two if flown right. the eny 10 isn't just based on the air to ground attack role.

yeah karnak. it is meat on the table if you dont use it right... it also helps when the 110 has support fighters with it to protect it