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Re: Is the colors you see the same as the ones I see?
« Reply #30 on: August 16, 2010, 11:39:00 PM »
Everytime i think about something like this i get into deep thought, I look up at the night sky and think "What if?"


 

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Re: Is the colors you see the same as the ones I see?
« Reply #31 on: August 16, 2010, 11:46:23 PM »
Everytime i think about something like this i get into deep thought, I look up at the night sky and think "What if?"


 



Yep many men from the beginning of time have done just that, its something man will always do
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Re: Is the colors you see the same as the ones I see?
« Reply #32 on: August 16, 2010, 11:47:47 PM »
No, we see the same colors, except color blind people who get colors confused or melded.  The wave lengths of light aren't going to change person to person.

Though i don't doubt the wave lengths stay the same, the question refers to how the brain interprets it.People likely see similar colors but the brain develops slightly differently for different people and cultures.Just as people develop different dialects and vocal abilities, the eyes and representative section of the brain develop slightly differently.  It's just harder to test or notice.
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Re: Is the colors you see the same as the ones I see?
« Reply #33 on: August 16, 2010, 11:51:52 PM »
Like some people can hear sounds lower than 25Hz or higher than 18,000Hz, most are limited to a certain infrared and ultraviolet light frequency. If perceivable light has the same frequency thresholds as everyone else, then its safe to assume everyone interprets the color in its correct identical form. Infrared cannot look like an alien color and ultraviolet light cannot look like an alien color as well. Its quite hard to imagine a color that doesn't exist however.

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Re: Is the colors you see the same as the ones I see?
« Reply #34 on: August 17, 2010, 12:08:15 AM »
Yep many men from the beginning of time have done just that, its something man will always do

What always amazes me is when i look at the Moon. I think about all the hundreds of millions of years that creatures have looked at it, and really makes you feel insignificant in the grand scheme of things.

Julius Ceasar stared at the same moon that we look at now, 2000 years ago. Makes you think, doesnt it?

The greatest minds in the history of mankind stared at the same moon we stare at now. Weird feeling, isnt it?

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Re: Is the colors you see the same as the ones I see?
« Reply #35 on: August 17, 2010, 01:45:47 AM »
It it just me, or did anyone else think Christmas colors reading the OP?  Guess I'm up too late again.
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Re: Is the colors you see the same as the ones I see?
« Reply #36 on: August 17, 2010, 02:14:55 AM »
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Re: Is the colors you see the same as the ones I see?
« Reply #37 on: August 17, 2010, 07:40:10 AM »
The same question can also apply to taste.

I had this same ongoing conversation with a gf's folks 30+yrs. ago. Made her crazy. Seems there's some variance in color acuity, maybe not enough to make your red my green but it can help to explain various aesthetic bias among individuals.

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Re: Is the colors you see the same as the ones I see?
« Reply #38 on: August 17, 2010, 10:38:44 AM »
We just assume the universe doesn't end, our technology has neither confirmed or denied the claim. Back in the 1300s science thought the earth was flat, and that the earth was the center of the universe, yet that was proven false. What if our science today, although we believe is to be true, is just another false assumption like science was back in the 1300s? We can not assume that our science is correct just because it has dis-proven another claim or a false fact, science is nothing more than a collection of theories.


If you actually think about it, there is no possible way to prove that the universe is infinite. If the universe is infinite then we could never reach the end, if we could never reach the end we could never claim that it was infinite to a 100% guaranteed true answer. We assume it is because we have not reached an end yet; but what if we just traveled another mile? Would that be the end? Just another mile after that?
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Re: Is the colors you see the same as the ones I see?
« Reply #39 on: August 17, 2010, 10:52:09 AM »
What always amazes me is when i look at the Moon. I think about all the hundreds of millions of years that creatures have looked at it, and really makes you feel insignificant in the grand scheme of things.

Julius Ceasar stared at the same moon that we look at now, 2000 years ago. Makes you think, doesnt it?

The greatest minds in the history of mankind stared at the same moon we stare at now. Weird feeling, isnt it?




What is more weird is that the stars you gaze at are the images of the stars millions of years ago, you are literally looking back in time looking at the stars. The stars your looking at now, could possibly be already gone or destroyed, but light just has not caught up with us yet.



The same question can also apply to taste.

I had this same ongoing conversation with a gf's folks 30+yrs. ago. Made her crazy. Seems there's some variance in color acuity, maybe not enough to make your red my green but it can help to explain various aesthetic bias among individuals.

I have also pondered this myself, does a pepperoni pizza taste the same to me as to you?
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Re: Is the colors you see the same as the ones I see?
« Reply #40 on: August 17, 2010, 01:20:27 PM »
Yep many men from the beginning of time have done just that, its something man will always do

Until humankind evolves enough to think in other terms and can actually solve the riddles of the Universe.
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Re: Is the colors you see the same as the ones I see?
« Reply #41 on: August 17, 2010, 01:48:11 PM »
This is text is from Douglas Hofstaders book “I am a strange loop”. It explain this question very good:

Say a person has an inverted perceptions of white and black. This makes no sense as the properties of black and white are dependent on how much light is reflected by a surface. If the case was that the persons perceptions were inverted, he would see better when it’s dark outside. No such person has been found to date.

How does this apply to the other colors you ask? Well, different colors have different properties under different lighting conditions. Take red for example, if you’ve been outside on a dark night you may have noticed that red fades to black much faster than other colors, say a person has inverted perception of red and yellow, he would find that yellow fades faster than red. Nobody has been proven to have this property of vision either.

Our perception of color is determined by the biological properties of our rods and cones in our eyes, and the wiring of our brains. So the bottom line is we all experience colors in the same way (although your emotional connotations to for example blue will of course be different from mine), no matter the apparent mystery of trying to explain how one experiences blue.


...and about the universe expanding and whats beyound it, the expanding universe is finite in both space and time,
you cant look beyound it. Strange things like blackholes have a gravitational singularity, a region where the spacetime curvature becomes infinite,
yes its very difficult to understand or even imagine it ;)

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Re: Is the colors you see the same as the ones I see?
« Reply #42 on: August 17, 2010, 02:04:06 PM »

Again you can not stretch unless there is room to stretch. By saying the universe is stretching, expanding, or getting bigger\smaller begs the question that if the universe is already infinite then how can it expand.


You are mistaking the difference between stretching and expanding.


Expansion requires more volume of nothing constantly to accommodate the new space.

Stretching does not add volume to space. What it may gain in length will be depleted in width for example, so no extra nothing is required for the space to fit into.



 But complications in theories about space and time are throwing our research off track somewhat. Space and time is the most simple thing. Relativity is not just something I consider when thinking about Albert's theories. The relative size of space and time in my mind is of great importance. Consider that scaled up by incalculable quantities the stars and planets are a set of atoms and electrons and we will find many correlations between the infinite and the microscopic. So then again if we were to be scaled down to the size of 1/1,000,000,000th of a quark would it be possible for us to terraform an electron and evolve on it sustaining life from the power of our atom?
 
There is quite possibly no end to our universe, but even if there was there would be another universe right next door. I suspect it is a matter of scale and relative size/time blow into proportions that our size group will never be able to grow large enough to understand. Consider that in the time it takes a human to jump into a puddle of water, countless eons of existence may pass should there be anything small enough to exist within the universe that puddle creates on a scale we can never see. As the person lands in that puddle it kickstarts untold catastrophic events within the puddle universe. Yet for those in that puddle the splash would be a whirling cloud of atoms far above thier tiny electron that would be known as the stars and would take an almost infinite amount of time to 'splash' bringing the destruction of the universe. If people lived in that size dimension on a particularly furry and wet electron they called earth they would stare at their puddle splashing for the whole of their existence marveling at the colours and vast size of it all but perhaps never find the edge.
 
That is all we are, no matter if the puddle analogy could be true or not. Our infinite universe is a mere splash in time and we live far too quickly and on far too small a scale to ever see the big picture. Even if we travelled out of our puddle into the next we would be unaware we had left and indeed, if there are 'people' living at a relative time and size that is so vast  that we are as invisible as what makes up an electron to them, we will never be discovered. Our whole universe will be born, will live and will expire in the blink of an eye to these giants as they watch a drop of rain fall from the sky and into their hand. It is not even really a factor of size that truly blinds us to what existence is even if something is so small or large as to make the size of our universe seem more reasonable. The problem is time, we cannot live fast enough to see what is tiny and we cannot live slow enough to see what is so big.
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Re: Is the colors you see the same as the ones I see?
« Reply #43 on: August 17, 2010, 03:34:56 PM »
Anyone else pondered about this? The color that you see as red is really the color green that I see, but since you grew up to know that color has a specific purpose it would not make difference.


Heres a chart to grasp this question

To Me:                               To You:

Red looks like Red                  Red looks like my Green

Green looks like Green            Green looks like my Red



Or am I just talking out of my !@# here?



I've had this exact conversation..about colors and smells...many times.  of course it was usually with a group of people and a bong..but we discussed this in detail.  I just cannot remember how it was concluded.

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Re: Is the colors you see the same as the ones I see?
« Reply #44 on: August 17, 2010, 03:56:47 PM »
I've had this exact conversation..about colors and smells...many times.  of course it was usually with a group of people and a bong..but we discussed this in detail.  I just cannot remember how it was concluded.

With an inhale, holding of breath, cough as you exhale, and pass to the right?  :lol
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