Attention Duelling Arena pilots

[gyrene81]

Well, to keep it realistic then, after I kill you, don't up again coming straight at me for a revenge HO while I am fighting your two bodies.  Because this is what is happening under the cover of realism, it is only an easy way to pick someone that cant see you coming due to the limitations of the graphics, the screen, the two dimensional environment, not having a squadron looking after each other etc.

So, why we don't accept one unrealistic thing (icons on) but we accept the other (the dead rising and coming back to get you a few seconds after their death?  Even Jesus needed 3 days  )???  Have the decency to not do that and I won't mine having icons off.  Holding breath  

As for the mad skills and the better fights in there, there is a reason I can get 3 to 6 kills before I get picked in the AvA, but I am lucky if I get  any in the MA.  Only reason for icons to be off is to make picking easier.  Only reason people to want them off, is so they can pick easier.  If it was not for that, they would just turn their own icons off, and leave the rest of us alone.  

You just think if you get shot down, you got picked. Don't fly alone, it's that simple...but then with all the b.s. you been spouting, winging with someone probably isn't possible.

[dedalos]

You just think if you get shot down, you got picked. Don't fly alone, it's that simple...but then with all the b.s. you been spouting, winging with someone probably isn't possible.

What part was BS?  You may not like what I post, but I have not made anything up.  I did how ever get a lot of BS responses.  Winging with someone eh?  I don;t need it if I can see you coming 

[dedalos]

I think we all understand your opinion on the subject, thinking you might have a different motive than just communicating that at this point.

Why?  Because you have no other argument?  What may the other motive be?

[TheBug]

What may the other motive be?

I think you are out to show the world you should of been named Richard.

[Shuffler]

Well, to keep it realistic then, after I kill you, don't up again coming straight at me for a revenge HO while I am fighting your two bodies.  Because this is what is happening under the cover of realism, it is only an easy way to pick someone that cant see you coming due to the limitations of the graphics, the screen, the two dimensional environment, not having a squadron looking after each other etc.

So, why we don't accept one unrealistic thing (icons on) but we accept the other (the dead rising and coming back to get you a few seconds after their death?  Even Jesus needed 3 days  )???  Have the decency to not do that and I won't mine having icons off.  Holding breath  

As for the mad skills and the better fights in there, there is a reason I can get 3 to 6 kills before I get picked in the AvA, but I am lucky if I get  any in the MA.  Only reason for icons to be off is to make picking easier.  Only reason people to want them off, is so they can pick easier.  If it was not for that, they would just turn their own icons off, and leave the rest of us alone.  

This would be correct except for one thing............ both the "picker" and "pickee" have no icons. It is up to both individuals to watch for the other without a big red "here I am " above their birds.

You are not the only one having issues seeing the other guy.... believe me when I say the other guy is in the same boat.

[Changeup]

This would be correct except for one thing............ both the "picker" and "pickee" have no icons. It is up to both individuals to watch for the other without a big red "here I am " above their birds.

You are not the only one having issues seeing the other guy.... believe me when I say the other guy is in the same boat.

Which, I might add, levels the playing field...surely Dedalos isn't advocating playing on a field unlevel in his favor? lol

Changeup

[gyrene81]

What part was BS?  You may not like what I post, but I have not made anything up.  I did how ever get a lot of BS responses.  Winging with someone eh?  I don;t need it if I can see you coming 

Your entire string of arguments is b.s. Nobody that is landing 3 to 6 kills with any frequency whines about getting picked, even in the MA's. If you can't see someone getting on your 6 in the AvA you're doing something wrong or they are doing more of the right things than you are. And don't give me that "if I can see you coming" nonsense either, anyone who has spent any time in the AvA knows by the time you get in position to get a good shot, you're close enough to be seen clearly.

In case you missed it, all the talk about communications and situational awareness in the AvA is about helping out a team mate that is in trouble if/when you can...if in your mind that's picking, the TA is the only arena you would be comfortable in.

[bustr]

I seem to have the luck of going into the AvA when the numbers are even. This tends to give me a good impression of the arena. A few times I have been bounced alone by a winged pair. Seems a good practice to me since 4 eyeballs tracking dots are better than 2. There has always been times that players refuse to even the sides to keep the fights more equal. In the past I just left the arena if I could not get anyone to jump sides. There are peak numbers times for the AvA and you just need to keep an eye out for them.

Getting angry at how some time periods in the AvA unfold versus others is not productive. It's too easy to be angry then come to these posts and be vindictive because you want some measure of revenge for your bad time. Do you ever want the AvA to succeed? Or is it easier attempting to verbaly destroy it in the minds of this readership to insure whom ever you can affect shares your unhappiness? Not everyone you meet in the AvA is a regular who plays by the AvA general spirit. You cannot expect most MA players to stop playing by MA standards when they drop into the AvA out of the blue. They don't know know any better. Why does Oldman salute whomever shoots him down and is always polite on text?

Polite peer pressure has been one of the hallmarks of the CT/AvA staff and regulars that keeps me dropping in over the years. When there is a core group of them in the arena during a peak session, they politely remind players to play with some decorume, politeness and to keep the sides even. Thats actually how in AW and AH during those way back good old days the fights were kept fun and polite. More of the regulars cared enough to polietly remind wayward players about the rules and decorume involved because it kept the game freindly and lively.

You cannot help lead players out of poor game play if you are more interested in showing them how hot your stick is versus helping them value the outcome of practacing the good gameplay standards the AvA staff espouses. There are peak times with a large group of AvA regulars in which the AvA is better than the DA or MA to play in. And it is directly due to their willingness to play by the AvA rules of conduct.

The AvA is not for everyone. Kind of like the christian religion is treated in america today. One follower screws up and every atheist and Liberal in the world uses that to prove it sucks and all of its followers should be hung from trees. No one sees that incident for the weakness all human beings are born with and just move on. They also don't see that the core followers who beleive in and practice the tennets faithfully makeing it work while inspiring a few others in the process. The AvA presents you with a tangable choice because there is a spirit and decorum to the arena. Not a pre packaged purposfull free for all like the MA madhouse.

You can choose to reduce yourself to the level of normal MA conduct as your solution to being angry or you have an arena where the staff and its regulars are giving you an opportunity to help them support the arenas code of conduct as your response to those who don't know better. It's each of us who choose either to seek revenge and act no better than those you are mad at or support the AvA general spirit in the face of those adversities.

[TheBug]

You're talking silly bustr 

Where is all the drama in that???


 

[FiLtH]

   I may not make any friends by saying this, but one thing Ive noticed over the years is the group of people who have a passion for simulated air combat, but arent quite as good at it as they would like to be. Some want nothing to do with an even fight.

   For me, noticing this started back in AW when the "Why cant we hit head-on?" crowd complained. They didnt want to gain the 6 of the enemy and defeat him. More issues through this game have been brought up from time to time. Always leaning toward the "but its more realistic " slant.

   No matter what the issue, it always boils down to "I want to surprise my enemy and kill him easier". Whether its no icons, or always flying planes that can escape, or turn off the F3 mode in the DA, those people arent so much about knife fights as they are being the guy in the tower with a scoped rifle.

   The little things like no icons may give an advantage to those with better systems they wouldnt have in a 1 on 1 fight with icons. You cant buy that. Its something you either get better at, or accept how you fly and be content, or try to influence others that what we have is unrealistic,gamey etc, and their way is better,to try and close the gap.

   Personally I dont remember any fights where I got bounced and killed (its happened many times) but I remember many fights that started out with the pilots seeing eachotherand dukin it out till one was dead. A fight that might not have happened if there was no icons. I just dont see the benefit of it sorry. Its bad enough we have lag issues to put up with. Expecting everyone to see the same way your system portrays the game is wishful thinking.

   If more effort went into setting up an arena where it was simply strat bombing and someone tracked tonnage on target through the campaign and the kills the escort and interceptors got, we'd have an arena most would play in.
Look for more ways to create great fights, not ways to sneak around.

[TheBug]

I don't recall finding a shortage of fights in there last night.   

At least during "primetime".

[bustr]

You're talking silly bustr  

Where is all the drama in that???


 

Drama! You want DRAMA!!!! BuggieBoy.................... ...

Drama is when that sillouett you just merged with passes under you and dissaperes into the ground clutter. Then your heart starts pumping and the swet starts pouring while you white knuckle your stick. The whole time you have that feet on your back scarey feeling because you just know the con pulled back up under your blind spot. So your twisting your neck off your shoulders trying to look like an owl, fishtailing left and right, while you just know those rounds are gonna start popping your tail any second.

Without that big red icon things have gotten a bit more lively in the AvA. Not all of the ACM in the world will save your tail if you cannot first keep track of the con off the merge. The haze in that arena just adds to the DRAMA.....................

[dedalos]

This would be correct except for one thing............ both the "picker" and "pickee" have no icons. It is up to both individuals to watch for the other without a big red "here I am " above their birds.

You are not the only one having issues seeing the other guy.... believe me when I say the other guy is in the same boat.

How?  I am in a fight and he is not.  How are we in the same boat?

[dedalos]

I think you are out to show the world you should of been named Richard.

As I said, no argument other than we did it, how could we possibly be wrong?

[bustr]

Filth,

Yes I have a system that lets me see cons as tangable dots out to a 5 mile visibility along with TrackIR. The off-Icons mode is very visually like I remember the real life game of "Hold 6" my father and his freinds used to play in light planes near Frederic Maryland. At speed an aricraft with a 30ft or less wingspan is very hard to track if it's not in line of flight with you. That's why not everyone was able to become a fighter pilot in WW2. No one is holding a gun to your head and saying the AvA is the only arena you can play in. I'm sorry if how the environment is currently setup is not compatable with your current requirements.

After a few sorties last night it became second nature how to visualy adjust to VFR tracking a local fast moving con as opposed to the Dar and big red Icons lighting the way. I would not reccomend this mode for the MA. I think the Icon-Dar combo is a core feature to the longevity of Aces High in the MA's. But, this arrangement for some is very attractive on many levels. Not "just" because they lack skill and can now sneak around gaming kills. Uncharitable and narrowly focused comes to mind if you are using this assertion as a total blanket describing everyone who likes the off-Icon mode in the AvA. I'm not sure my squad POTW would be happy to know that you have determined by their enjoyment of the no-Icon mode that they lack the willingness to out fight other players head to head.

Wonder what we have been doing then in all those squad dueling leauge matches with on-Icon merging without HO co-alt...........