The WWI arena today

[perdue3]

More planes in WWI, yes. What planes? Fighters only.

Adding base capture an bombing and whatever creative BS you guys can come up with would create a horde with a base taking mentality. Quite honestly, I hate that about Late War so why in the hell would I want them in WWI?

Many people say, "If I can't bomb or do something else besides dogfight in WWI, I'm not going to play WWI." Those people that say that, need to stay away from WWI because it is about dogfighting at its most basic elements. Compared to WWII, your plane does not matter (compared to WWII mind you) as much as your skill flying that plane. ALOT of people can't deal with NOT having an advantage. Those people are the same people that do not fly WWI. Those people need to keep their twitty, horde dwelling arses in MA.


perdweeb

[onerka]

Q...I wasn't very clear.  Just a large map with a lot of bases of different sizes, different elevations...zep bases, loons associated with dar, arty sites so two seaters can spot arty, etc.  Most people will still simply dog fight, but it gives it a purpose on occasion anyway.

The "base capture hordes" don't often fly in WWI sims...and when they do, lots of potential kills that come to you if you choose to defend...not a bad thing all in all.

Of course all of this is simply dreaming at this point...the folks that designed this game developed a WWI sim that had most of those things a while back.  Hoping they will choose to do it again...will stick around for awhile to see if.

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[perdue3]

Like I said, if you don't like the way it is now, stay out. Those people that want to bomb stuff can go to any other arena, why should they pollute my favorite one?

Dogfighting arena and it should stay that way.


perdweeb

[Lusche]

Didn't know it's your personal arena...

[SCTusk]

ALOT of people can't deal with NOT having an advantage. Those people are the same people that do not fly WWI. Those people need to keep their twitty, horde dwelling arses in MA.
perdweeb

No offence intended here Perdweeb  but I have to remark - judging from the rankings you clearly have an advantage, in terms of skill.... although I see your preferred ride is the Dr1 so we won't know whether you're just good or really good until you move to another a/c. However you obviously currently enjoy an advantage over the 'average' player, and I wonder if you would also enjoy being restricted to dogfighting if your skills were less adequate?

Not everyone can be Top Dog, and the 'average' player might have to contend with always being in the middle, at best. Are they there merely as playthings for the hawks, or should there be some other activities available to them so they can also enjoy a little success from time to time?

ACM elitism is probably always going be a factor around here, but a little reality check might be in order.... hands up all the real WW1 pilots.... ? No takers?

Being good at flight sim ACM doesn't mean diddly squat, so being bad at it doesn't mean anything either. People sign up to have some fun, there should be some accomodation for that even though their skill sets are all different.

[Banshee7]

Once we add zeppelins and bombs and base capturing we will have no arenas (except the lame DA) where there are no hordes, no base taking BS, and no pure dogfighting.

Add zeppelins, bombs, and other MA BS, WWI loses appeal to the people that enjoy it now. So, if you don't like WWI as it is now, maybe it is because you are a horde dwelling, bomberish, base taking twit that lacks the skill to compete in WWI as it is now. My suggestion to those people who want the MA BS added to WWI would be to stay far, far away from WWI Arena. Stay in your hordes fellas.


perdweeb

So what?  You lose 10-12 guys that like the way the WW1 arena is now?  Well yeah, that's part of the opportunity cost, but you have to take into consideration of how many people apparently enjoy the "horde dwelling, bomberish, base taking" stuff.  Just because you consider all the above tactics nonsense does not give enough proof that they are detrimental to the game.  

[Yeager]

If WW1 had observation balloons, zepps, bombers, tanks with 10 drunks.....capturable bases then how many people would you think would be in the WW1 arena on a Saturday night?

Thing is HTC has already said that isn't the plan.  Best we could hope for is more fighters which is cool and might bump the long term average arena attendance up a few heads.

I would love base takers and tanks, zepps and observer baloons with gunner poitions just because it gives so many opportunities for other players to kill but I would be very surprised to ever see it.

just give me a SE5a and Ill be happy.

[1701E]

Curious as to whether people really WANT a WWI MA or not.  Think HT once said something like "The customer doesn't know what they really want" (been a while, bad memory so sorry if that's in my imagination).  Would people really WANT a WWI arena like WWII?  It would be the MA just in older/slower planes (see how so populated EW is?).  People would just say Plane X is for noobs, Plane Y is for Pickers, Plane Z is for ganagers, Plane W is for alt dweebs, and so on.  We'd just have one group of people whining for "the good ol days of respectable fights", people whining that something is wrong, people complaining that "this is what you asked for", and so on.  Just saying, consider what is being asked for.
I personally like the dogfight style arena more then a base-capture arena but would love to see more planes/maps.


Go ahead, flame away

 

[Lusche]

I'm wondering about the "all-or-nothing" attidue.

Can really no one imagine a more varied game play and plane choices without base captures and win the war stuff? Some guys are getting quite hysterical while trying to discredit every single idea as "MA landgrab stuff"

[CptTrips]

Curious as to whether people really WANT a WWI MA or not.  Think HT once said something like "The customer doesn't know what they really want" (been a while, bad memory so sorry if that's in my imagination).  Would people really WANT a WWI arena like WWII?  It would be the MA just in older/slower planes (see how so populated EW is?).  People would just say Plane X is for noobs, Plane Y is for Pickers, Plane Z is for ganagers, Plane W is for alt dweebs, and so on.  We'd just have one group of people whining for "the good ol days of respectable fights", people whining that something is wrong, people complaining that "this is what you asked for", and so on.  Just saying, consider what is being asked for.
I personally like the dogfight style arena more then a base-capture arena but would love to see more planes/maps.


Go ahead, flame away

 

1701E,

I can, of course, only speak for myself. 

I feel some new planes would create a temporary sugar high of a week or two as people drop in to try them out for a few sorties.  Then it would fade away again as it did with the arena’s initial release.
 
While I admit that many of my squadmates I flew with those first few weeks expressed some frustration with the new flight model learning curve, that can quickly be overcome with some stick time.  What finally caused them to lose interest was there was simply no point.  There was nothing to really do, and no reason really to do it.  Game play was stale and one dimensional.

People try and make a comparison between the WWI arena and MW or EW arenas.  I think the more illuminating comparison is between the LW MA and the DA Furball Lake.  The same planeset is available to both.  Yet the DA Furball Lake, while supporting a small dedicated fan base, doesn’t come near the popularity of the LW MA. 

Given that they have the same planeset available, if players REALLY preferred a pure dogfight only arrangement with no strat or purpose , then the popularity of the two arena should be reversed.  But as we know, that’s not the case.  Even with the SAME planeset, players prefer the richer gaming experience of the LW MA’s goal oriented combat to the strat-less DA Furball Lake.

If HTC truly feels that a strat-less, pure dogfight only arena design is adequate to satisfy players, then there is no reason not to configure the LW MA the same way.   

If HTC fears players would not be satisfied with that in the LW MA, why would they think WWI players would be satisfied with the same sterile gameplay?

Regards,
Wab
   

[pervert]

I'm wondering about the "all-or-nothing" attidue.

Can really no one imagine a more varied game play and plane choices without base captures and win the war stuff? Some guys are getting quite hysterical while trying to discredit every single idea as "MA landgrab stuff"

I'm not all or nothing I just don't want to end up in the situation of the MA, that is if I want instant action I have to stack the odds hugely in opponents favour ie upping at capped fields or flying low into hoardes, this is not some kind of brag I don't want to spend hours flying around looking for a fight I've lost count recently of how many times I've logged on looking for action and ended up bailing after finding no one, then ended up throwing myself into lop sided odds and its getting worse imo.

If there was a way to bring change in to give more possibilty for WW1 combat I'd be up for it, be it bombers or AI zeps planes etc

[Yeager]

the situation in WW1 is nine people on and eight of em are in DR1s.  I can guarantee you that gets old in a hurry 

and my damned F1 keeps snapping wings off 

[pervert]

the situation in WW1 is nine people on and eight of em are in DR1s.  I can guarantee you that gets old in a hurry 

and my damned F1 keeps snapping wings off 

Flying F1 exclusive now, biggest prob is the view can't see what an opponent is doing for 80% of the time, the wings snapping off is weird I can't remember it doing that as much tbh any sort of mediium speed barrel roll and you lose a wing or both.

Got a good lot of videos to watch through

[BaldEagl]

So, if you don't like WWI as it is now, maybe it is because you are a horde dwelling, bomberish, base taking twit that lacks the skill to compete in WWI as it is now.

ALOT of people can't deal with NOT having an advantage. Those people are the same people that do not fly WWI. Those people need to keep their twitty, horde dwelling arses in MA.

Did you come from AvA?

Since you're such an acm god why aren't you in the dueling tournament?  Or is it that you're really just a self-richeous ego driven twit with an over-inflated view of herself that wouldn't last more than the first turn against anyone other than an uninitiated noob?

See you in the tourney... or not.

[R 105]

I don't care for WWI because other than one plane turns better then the other three they all fly the same speed and seem to have the same clime rate. Once engaged you can't extend and it is an endless set of loops and circles until you hit a tree or are shot down. In real life one WWI plane did have speed or clime rate advantages over others. The D.VII did out clime other planes and had a faster acceleration.That is what made it one of the best fighters of WWI along with the D.VIII and the Spads. Here in the WWI arena it just seems to me the same plane with a different skin on it.