Pick discussion

[kilo2]

Yep, or by going off line and popping the drones  

I never said I was trying to avoid fights or didn't want to fight just in that instance I would have been better served to kill him and work down. I may play this game with a different style than you. I enjoy getting kills and surviving to land its more of a challenge to me than just getting into a fight.

[dedalos]

I never said I was trying to avoid fights or didn't want to fight just in that instance I would have been better served to kill him and work down. I may play this game with a different style than you. I enjoy getting kills and surviving to land its more of a challenge to me than just getting into a fight.

I am just saying that it would have the same value as a kill off line.   Did not say you avoid fights

[Letalis]

My observations:
-Pick= Nailing a victim at a point in time at which SA, odds and/or altitude preclude sufficient chance of retaliation in the victim's mind.
-I see very few good sticks complain about getting "picked". I think the better sticks blame themselves for putting their aircraft in the unfortunate time/place; they see it as a failure of SA on their part or simple desperation to get into a fight.
-SA begins  before takeoff. If you are picked on the runway and call vulch or pick on 200, FAIL on you. It was a genuine WWII experience to get blowed up on takeoff roll. Personally, I never pick anyone until they are wheels up and off the airfield. (Less ack anyway )
-You should expect to be picked in the MA.  Nobody pays $15 to be your victim. You are responsible for your own survival.
-Some rides basically dictate "picker" strategies. (Pony, Dora etc)  My all time fav ride is the P47D25.(Historical sentiment) A jug going into a co-alt merge with an Spixteen or K4 is pretty much an automatic E-disadvantage without an angles advantage. Alt is good, but sometimes Alt-F4 is what you end up doing...
-Folks that fly zekes or spits get a pretty easy win if they corner a picker type low. Just because you didn't have a chance on him while he kept his E doesn't mean he's any better off than you were when he's flopping around on the deck in his pony.
-Regardless of why you fly a certain aircraft (advantages, historical significance, looks) you gotta live w the consequences.

[kilo2]

My observations:
-Pick= Nailing a victim at a point in time at which SA, odds and/or altitude preclude sufficient chance of retaliation in the victim's mind.
-I see very few good sticks complain about getting "picked". I think the better sticks blame themselves for putting their aircraft in the unfortunate time/place; they see it as a failure of SA on their part or simple desperation to get into a fight.
-SA begins  before takeoff. If you are picked on the runway and call vulch or pick on 200, FAIL on you. It was a genuine WWII experience to get blowed up on takeoff roll. Personally, I never pick anyone until they are wheels up and off the airfield. (Less ack anyway )
-You should expect to be picked in the MA.  Nobody pays $15 to be your victim. You are responsible for your own survival.
-Some rides basically dictate "picker" strategies. (Pony, Dora etc)  My all time fav ride is the P47D25.(Historical sentiment) A jug going into a co-alt merge with an Spixteen or K4 is pretty much an automatic E-disadvantage without an angles advantage. Alt is good, but sometimes Alt-F4 is what you end up doing...
-Folks that fly zekes or spits get a pretty easy win if they corner a picker type low. Just because you didn't have a chance on him while he kept his E doesn't mean he's any better off than you were when he's flopping around on the deck in his pony.
-Regardless of why you fly a certain aircraft (advantages, historical significance, looks) you gotta live w the consequences.

Very true

A pick in my mind is a failure in SA on either my part or the part of the victim. Which is why I don't mind picking people.

[CAP1]

Very true

A pick in my mind is a failure in SA on either my part or the part of the victim. Which is why I don't mind picking people.

 this is also why i don't get pissed about it anymore.

[grizz441]

I call BS......
You have to look at this on the same terms as I did.

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1 8oz limeaid frozen concentrate
Ice to fill blender
Leroux Triple-sec
Cuervo Tequila
1 strong blender
Glasses of choice
Margarita salt (it has larger grains)

Empty 8oz limeaid into blender (keep container)
Fill blender with ice
Fill 8oz limeaid container with triple-sec pour into blender
Fill 8oz limeaid container 3/4 full of tequila
Blend till smooth or the blender motor burns up

Wet top of glass with margarita then dip in salt
Fill glass with Margarita allowing room on top for a shot of Tequila
Insert straw
Inhale

I use 12oz AmberBock crystal glasses on stems

Well, it seems as though you were very distracted and/or tipsy then when you posted in this thread.  Or are you referring to when my magical Me163 pulled physics defying maneuvers?  In any case, I would please like one of your margaritas, they sound delicious.

[grizz441]

Just watched the film and according to the instruments it was more than a 3-4 G turn, but I didn't notice anything extra-ordinary either, Grizz is also slowing down considerably at the same time, dropping about 100mph from merge till his shot opportunity.  From Shufflers point of view I think the turn looked a lot more drastic than it really was. 

I think if you watch the film from the "fixed" camera position and place the camera directly above Grizz's airplane turn on trails (make sure "use recorded views" is off) and play it through you'll see how he got the shot and why it looked so drastic from Shufflers point of view. 

I just checked and i pulled 7.8 Gs briefly. 
That gave me a real bad tummy ache, iirc.

[Nemisis]

I see a pick as when you are already engaged, and get killed by some dweeb thats thinking "ok, so lets see..... ah, theres a guy in a fight low on the deck. I think I'll go screw over that rook down there (you are a rook) and steal his kill.". If you wait for him to die, and THEN engage the con with very low E, I have no problem with it. Oh sure, I may start cussing on 200, but give me time, or ask me if I would have done the same, and I'll generally be fine.

IMO, those picks aren't avoidable at times. If your down to around 1750 in a zoom climb, see a con diving in at 400mph, all you can do is say "oh crap" and hope he misses. Oh sure, you could go over the top early, but if you're trying to rope a con, then you offer him an easy shot.

[Guppy35]

My observations:
-Pick= Nailing a victim at a point in time at which SA, odds and/or altitude preclude sufficient chance of retaliation in the victim's mind.
-I see very few good sticks complain about getting "picked". I think the better sticks blame themselves for putting their aircraft in the unfortunate time/place; they see it as a failure of SA on their part or simple desperation to get into a fight.
-SA begins  before takeoff. If you are picked on the runway and call vulch or pick on 200, FAIL on you. It was a genuine WWII experience to get blowed up on takeoff roll. Personally, I never pick anyone until they are wheels up and off the airfield. (Less ack anyway )
-You should expect to be picked in the MA.  Nobody pays $15 to be your victim. You are responsible for your own survival.
-Some rides basically dictate "picker" strategies. (Pony, Dora etc)  My all time fav ride is the P47D25.(Historical sentiment) A jug going into a co-alt merge with an Spixteen or K4 is pretty much an automatic E-disadvantage without an angles advantage. Alt is good, but sometimes Alt-F4 is what you end up doing...
-Folks that fly zekes or spits get a pretty easy win if they corner a picker type low. Just because you didn't have a chance on him while he kept his E doesn't mean he's any better off than you were when he's flopping around on the deck in his pony.
-Regardless of why you fly a certain aircraft (advantages, historical significance, looks) you gotta live w the consequences.

It was also a genuine WW2 experience to only get one death so all the advantages you could find to stay alive made a lot more sense.  I expect to get picked in the MA if I'm low and slow in a fight with others.  That being said, I'd be more ticked off at my team mate for not letting me finish off the fight or die if that's the case, while taking the easy way out to get a kill.

That's not strategy, that's lazy.  Had a couple guys fighting against a few of us last night.  One was in a 51D on the deck and the other in a P47D-11 and then a 39D on the deck.  They were doing things in those birds that the majority of Ah drivers couldn't do.  They got that way by testing the limits of those birds in spots that weren't advantageous.  The great advantage of never dying is you get to try again if it doesn't work the first time.  If you only fly to stay alive, you'll never find the limits of the bird you choose to fly for whatever reason.  I guess for some of us that's the challenge.

But to each his own, as we do get unlimited lives

[Letalis]

"I'd be more ticked off at my team mate for not letting me finish off the fight or die if that's the case, while taking the easy way out to get a kill. That's not strategy, that's lazy."

Agree on the lazy point.  If you come up on a situation where the friendly is clearly winning and you dive in for a kill, it's both a pick and a steal.  As for not letting them finish you off...gotta say 90% of the time when a enemy is on a friendly's 6, I'm gonna take the bad guy down. The majority of guys will appreciate the clear and you keep a friendly around to return the favor. You as the other 10% (yes I made up that number) would have to say something.

"If you only fly to stay alive, you'll never find the limits of the bird you choose to fly for whatever reason.  I guess for some of us that's the challenge."

Agree. (Though I've never truly enjoyed seeing parts of my plane fall off, unlike some people.)

[Guppy35]

Agree. (Though I've never truly enjoyed seeing parts of my plane fall off, unlike some people.)

I have to admit it's a sickness.  On the way to my only landing of the night.  Blood all over the cockpit. Look at those cannon holes.  Both engines messed up.  Was great fun

[uptown]

Hell, change the oil and she'll be fine. 

[dedalos]

All I got from the later posts is:  I can't handle my self, so I pick and hope some one else picks who ever is on me.  If those two don;t happen, I am dead    Ohhh, and if I pick you, its your fault for not being at 30K in a D9.  These attitudes are doing wonders for this game, but I am glad some new guys are explaining to us that our SA sucks when we take on 2 or 3 guys at a time 

[Shuffler]

this is also why i don't get pissed about it anymore.

Yes I don't get pissed either. Everyoine needs a kill sometime.

[Letalis]

I have to admit it's a sickness.  On the way to my only landing of the night.  Blood all over the cockpit. Look at those cannon holes.  Both engines messed up.  Was great fun

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The first step to recovery is acknowledging the problem. Get well soon and keep some band-aids handy in the meantime! 

All I got from the later posts is:  I can't handle my self, so I pick and hope some one else picks who ever is on me.  If those two don;t happen, I am dead    Ohhh, and if I pick you, its your fault for not being at 30K in a D9.  These attitudes are doing wonders for this game, but I am glad some new guys are explaining to us that our SA sucks when we take on 2 or 3 guys at a time