Pick discussion

[Wiley]

Wily - "Flotsom, you good with K4?"
Flotsom - "Yep"
Wily - "High spit. I'm on him"
Flotsom - "K4 down, it was Vinkman he sucks. Got the Spit?"
Wily - "think so."
Flotsom "Grabbin."

What did that take 4 seconds?   

You can make it sound more complicated than it is, so you have an excuse to do what you want, but many won't buy it. 

Yep.  As long as the battle is proceeding in an orderly fashion and the red guys are cooperating (which always, always happens) it's simple.

All my point is, is expecting everybody in an open sides based anything goes arena to work around your duel when it puts them to a disadvantage is rude, selfish behavior and people claiming some kind of moral superiority because of that behavior is laughably hypocritical.

Wiley.

[FLOTSOM]

Grizz, Guppy cool non-personalization and personality assassination conversation, rare find in here when 2 people who aren't seeing eye to eye are discussing their issues in a mildly heated fashion. <<S>> to you both.

Guppy i can say that Grizz, although saying what he means, is not really painting as good a picture of himself as the one i as a squadie get to see. i think his primary concern in this conversation is to say that each individual person and each individual flying style all brings something new to the game. he is defending the game from the thought of the mindless drones that fly around in circles each flying in exactly the same manner as the next guy. there are many ways to do things in this game and Grizz has the skill to use most of them with extreme success, so he is not of the mind to join the hive mentality.

Grizz Guppy is saying that each person should fly as they choose, just try to respect the fun of those around you.

You are both leading to the same point, the game can and should be fun and free styled for all, your just getting there from different starting points.

Although, I will admit at the time I joined the muppets, the squadron had taken on the identity of being a squadron that flew around on the deck getting killed by gangs and then talking serious smack (whining perhaps?) on 200. 


Grizz i will say that i was a Muppet when you joined, and this statement is nothing i would agree with in any fashion. maybe you are miss-remembering the circumstances or who the Muppets were when you joined, but i was there and i disagree. talking trash to opponents was and still is a major part of the Muppet identity. so without trying to detract from the point you were making, and making very well i might add, this statement i find a touch insulting, not so much to me personally, but to the memory of Muppets as a squad at the time when i joined. i will say for the purposes of disclosure that i was the only unskilled Muppet in the squad and the only one likely to be found groveling in the dirt with the masses.

Vickman, a touch of correction to your tale....

Wily - "Flotsom, you good with K4?"
Flotsom - "No, he is like a greased pig! but ill manage"
Wily - "High spit. I'm on him"
Flotsom - "damn it we rammed each other, it was Vinkman he sucks almost as bad as i do. your on your own with the Spit"
Wily - "think so."
Flotsom "Grabbin a new ride be back soon."

now that sounds so much truer to life 

 

[Vinkman]

Yep.  As long as the battle is proceeding in an orderly fashion and the red guys are cooperating (which always, always happens) it's simple.

All my point is, is expecting everybody in an open sides based anything goes arena to work around your duel when it puts them to a disadvantage is rude, selfish behavior and people claiming some kind of moral superiority because of that behavior is laughably hypocritical.

Wiley.

I agree. I think folks get lost in these 'rules' discussions as if they have to be followed. The situations described are just to pointing out that there are times when a radio check is beneficial to all involved. It's just a good idea and can make the MA a more enjoyable experience for all. 

[dedalos]

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Who decides whats right or wrong Shuffler is it you? Is it Dedalos? Where is the aces high etiquette manual? Who wrote this manual? Why should we follow this line of thinking? What is gained from following a certain set of "rules" in a video game? Oh pray tell shuffler. Lead us boorish un-washed masses from the way of darkness to the way of light. Be our Sherpa of the Everest that is Aces High.

Nah, you still don;t get it.  I don't make the rules and sure hope Shuffler doesn't either    All you get from me is my opinion on the subject.  You can fly any way you want.  I am not trying to stop you.  But, I do have my opinion and if you do fly the way I mentioned you will get no respect from me and I will think of you as just another lamer.  I don;t see why that is so important to you.  It is just the opinion of some idiot.  I still think that you miss my point.  I will pick you off also.  But I did not take off with the intent of picking.  I took off looking for a fight but if you happen to be in front of my guns I will pick you no questions asked. 

So, do I expect the guy in front of me to hold the door?  Yes!  Do I break my nose?  No!  That is a stupid example in lack of a valid argument.  I reach out and grab the door and exit no problems.  Do I think the guy not holding it is an idiot?  Yes!  Did I try to stop him from being an idiot?  no!  See?  It is just an opinion and for some reason it drives you guys nuts   

[dedalos]

The greatest irony of it all is that you are commonly observed flying in exactly the same dweeby style that you bleed your heart against here on the bbs.

You mean the 38 waiting at 5K at the end of the runways trying to rope you or kill you once you avoid a vulcher is him?

[Shuffler]

The greatest irony of it all is that you are commonly observed flying in exactly the same dweeby style that you bleed your heart against here on the bbs.

Actually you only hope that to make you feel better about how you normally fly.

[CAP1]

           
I see the parallels now!  Anyone who picks, tries to stay alive,  and plays the game in what you consider to be unfair and dweeby, is probably a hooligan in real life.  Oh my god my side hurts, thanks for that laugh Shuffles.  

The greatest irony of it all is that you are commonly observed flying in exactly the same dweeby style that you bleed your heart against here on the bbs.

i know you've been here for awhile.....and i presume you probably already know this.......


but EVERYONE at one point or another does that which they complain about. there are zero exceptions to this. it's just the way things are in the game.

[Wiley]

So, do I expect the guy in front of me to hold the door?  Yes!  Do I break my nose?  No!  That is a stupid example in lack of a valid argument.  I reach out and grab the door and exit no problems.  Do I think the guy not holding it is an idiot?  Yes!  Did I try to stop him from being an idiot?  no!  See?  It is just an opinion and for some reason it drives you guys nuts   

It's not so much the difference of opinion.  It's more the unjustified sanctimony that rolls off of you guys in nearly visible waves that gets under my skin.

Wiley.

[dedalos]

It's not so much the difference of opinion.  It's more the unjustified sanctimony that rolls off of you guys in nearly visible waves that gets under my skin.

Wiley.

Well, I m talking about my self here.  I think I made it clear that I was talking about people that always and only fly that way, not someone taking a random opportunity to shoot.  At the end of the day though, no matter what my opinion is on the subject, do I really have any effect on you or anyone else?  You know what is the funniest thing in all this?  People that do only pick and do admit to it in the BBS, they go nuts in the game if you say nice pick.  Why do they get so offended by it if they see it as a normal thing or the smart way of playing the game?  It is all good until you point the obvious out.  I don;t get mad if you tell me nice dweebish acm move there.  Why you guys get upset if I say nice pick?   

[kilo2]

Nah, you still don;t get it.  I don't make the rules and sure hope Shuffler doesn't either    All you get from me is my opinion on the subject.  You can fly any way you want.  I am not trying to stop you.  But, I do have my opinion and if you do fly the way I mentioned you will get no respect from me and I will think of you as just another lamer.  I don;t see why that is so important to you.  It is just the opinion of some idiot.  I still think that you miss my point.  I will pick you off also.  But I did not take off with the intent of picking.  I took off looking for a fight but if you happen to be in front of my guns I will pick you no questions asked. 

So, do I expect the guy in front of me to hold the door?  Yes!  Do I break my nose?  No!  That is a stupid example in lack of a valid argument.  I reach out and grab the door and exit no problems.  Do I think the guy not holding it is an idiot?  Yes!  Did I try to stop him from being an idiot?  no!  See?  It is just an opinion and for some reason it drives you guys nuts   

Well I don't takeoff with the plan of just picking. I would like a 1v1 as well but those are few and far between. The difference is I don't think I am somehow better than other or that I should tell people they don't have my respect and are "lamers" for not picking. 

[kilo2]

Well, I m talking about my self here.  I think I made it clear that I was talking about people that always and only fly that way, not someone taking a random opportunity to shoot.  At the end of the day though, no matter what my opinion is on the subject, do I really have any effect on you or anyone else?  You know what is the funniest thing in all this?  People that do only pick and do admit to it in the BBS, they go nuts in the game if you say nice pick.  Why do they get so offended by it if they see it as a normal thing or the smart way of playing the game?  It is all good until you point the obvious out.  I don;t get mad if you tell me nice dweebish acm move there.  Why you guys get upset if I say nice pick?   

Well I for one wouldn't care if you said nice pick. I might even say thank you. I honestly care if people squeak and moan. What does bother me is the though that people who don't pick are somehow better because they don't.

[dedalos]

What does bother me is the though that people who don't pick are somehow better because they don't.

Some of us are better looking also 

[Guppy35]

Well I for one wouldn't care if you said nice pick. I might even say thank you. I honestly care if people squeak and moan. What does bother me is the though that people who don't pick are somehow better because they don't.

And again the point is missed.   The point is, you'll get more respect from folks if you understand you are playing against other people and treat them with some courtesy as they too are trying to enjoy the game.  Play the game in whatever style you choose with the understanding people will react to it good or bad depending on that style.  We all live with the consequences of how we act in whatever we do.

As folks have mentioned, every last one of us have picked someone at one point or another.  But if I'm in a fight with another guy and you come blazing down in the middle of my fight and pick one of us when we've been doing the work, don't expect me to pat you on the back and tell you nice job.  Chances are if you are on my team and pick the guy I'm fighting, I'll apologize to that guy for his fight getting ruined.  If I see you coming I'll try and call you off.  And if it's me you pick, and then you <S> me like you've accomplished something, I doubt I'll <S> in return as you didn't earn it and I'll tell the other guy who was doing the work that I wish we could have finished the fight and it should have been his kill.

If it's a big furball with lots of guys shooting at each other and you come blazing through, so be it.  It's expected.  If that's your idea of fun, go for it.  I'm in the fight I was looking for too and at that point anything goes.

In the end, because we have a choice, and because no one is really dying, we can take a second to assess the situation before acting on it.  That would be the courtesy part since we aren't really at war, and there are no enemies, just people having fun on their computers.

It's just not that complicated to figure out.

[SunBat]

All it means is you unlearned it Grizz.

I don't suppose you remember the first time we fought cartoon airplanes way back when do you?  If you take the time to finish reading this, you'll understand why I do.

You were a 38 dweeb in a squad that was known at the time for nothing but ganging, hording, picking, and excuse making.   You were floating above the furball picking, when Zap, Pawz and I wandered in low in the old 38s.  Pawz got ya and you came on 200 whining about Pawz HO'ing you and getting ganged etc.  Pawz hadn't but it was the usual excuse of someone who was too worried about his score, landing his kills and proving he was a cartoon airplane hero.  

I PM'd you and said relax, we're just looking for a good fight.  You didn't buy it initially but then you seemed to notice we weren't picking you, weren't HO'ing you and we weren't ganging you.  I then suggested we move it north for some co-alt 1 v 1 stuff.  You hesitated but then you agreed and we had some good fights, 38G to your 38J.  I got you the first time and then we had two in a row where we collided and had a good laugh.  I had to leave after that but I believe those fights continued 1 v 1 with Zap and Pawz.  You seemed to have relaxed and enjoyed the fights as you figured out we meant what we said in that we were just having fun.

Now for the reason I remember.  Right after this your name came up in a discussion in the DFC forum.  At that point I was involved with it.  Guys, some who wear the same squad tag as you now, were saying you were essentially all of what I posted above.  At that point I jumped in and explained that it was not the case in my opinion.  After talking to you that night I said that you seemed to want to learn the ACM stuff, that you seemed like a good guy and that you were looking for the fight more then the name in lights.  I told them you had a chance to be a really good stick too if I remember right.  I'm sure the thread is still there way back in the DFC forum if you'd like to check.  I also invited you into SAPP as you were a 38 dweeb at the time.  You knew then what the 38 guys were about as it's written very clearly and sticky'd there.

Not too long afterwards you ended up in the Muppets.  I remember asking one of them at the time how that happened as you seemed to be on their #$#@ list.  Seems like the story at the time was you telling them it was all an act and that you really did get it.

And now as your list describes you are back to where you started.  Terribly ironic to me and I must admit I'm a bit disappointed in myself as generally I feel like I can read people better then in this case.

The other irony to me is the D-11 and P39D driver I mentioned previously is a member of your old squad.  And there he was, flying and dying on the deck for the fun of the fight.  Seems like he gets it.

But you are right.  Fly it the way you want to have fun.  Your approach belongs to you.  Your approach and mine will never be the same clearly.  There is no right way.  Both do have an impact on the game however.

Sunbat you taking notes?  I'll await your commentary.

I am shocked!!!!!!!!  

Grizz is off my friend list and I will not be visiting him in prison.  

I had a longer reply planned but I don't have time and it really makes no difference anyway.  The bottom line is both of you are at different ends of the furballing spectrum and I am somewhere in between.  You can be repectful at both ends of the spectrum and in the middle and that is what we should all endeavor to be.  I think we usually all are and just like to push buttons in here mostly.  

Having said all of that, Shuffler is a hyprocrite.  Shuffles, just don't preach against it and then you can do it all you want with impunity. (You know I louv ya.)  

[TheDudeDVant]

The best SA guys to play the game, no longer play sad to say.  But it's irrelevant to the discussion. 

I see comments like this of yesteryears and imo these comments are simply not true. The ma player base evolves just like the ma. I'm willing to wager that for every past stick good at a certain aspect of this game there are two just as good today.

Imo the ma has evolved into a game of tag. The badguys must be forced into the fight. Fun to me is taking what the ma has evoled to and doing it better. With style of course.