Brewster ENY needs to be lowered...

[Wmaker]

JunkyII,

In your original post you said:

I think their eny should be the same,

And now you say:

Brew shouldnt have the same just because of the ord and guns for sure.

So which is it? Pretty hard to even begin to take you seriously when you even don't know what you want yourself.

[kilo2]

Should have known Junky if it was a brewster post wmaker would jump in and tear you apart.

[JunkyII]

Should have known Junky if it was a brewster post wmaker would jump in and tear you apart.

lol yeah, he got me

Had a change of heart while reading arguements Wmaker.

But we have comparable matchups with other planes of same eny.....

F4U1D-KI84   F6F-KI84

Both those fights can really go either way but the KI84 can fight from E- a bit better then the Hog, F6F the difference isnt quite as much.

But both the planes the KI84 are compared to can level any hangar....thats pretty important for most in this game.

I think HTC should bring the Brews eny down to 20 at first and see how the numbers look for acouple months.

[Spikes]

I do think the ENY should be 20 if not 15. The only reason the Hurri is 'better' is because of the hizookas.

[Plazus]

I will agree that 30 ENY is just a tad bit too high. I'm thinking a 20 or 25 ENY value for the Brewster would be a bit more appropriate. The plane is starting to get more use since it was released. However, lowering the ENY really isn't going to change anything for anyone except for rewarding less perks for those who fly it.

[JunkyII]

I will agree that 30 ENY is just a tad bit too high. I'm thinking a 20 or 25 ENY value for the Brewster would be a bit more appropriate. The plane is starting to get more use since it was released. However, lowering the ENY really isn't going to change anything for anyone except for rewarding less perks for those who fly it.

Id like to see the numbers after like 4 months of it being a 20 eny.

[StokesAk]

Id like to see the numbers after like 4 months of it being a 20 eny.

I don't think that would effect it much, You can still get 20 perks a sortie in a 20 ENY plane.

Its not like people are flying them to take bases when their ENY is 29 because they want to win the war.

[Boozeman]

I think HTC should bring the Brews eny down to 20 at first and see how the numbers look for acouple months.

What kind of numbers are you looking for?

[waystin2]

What kind of numbers are you looking for?

I would say similar ongoing numbers to what I posted above. Let me state for the record I have no care whether the ENY is adjusted or not.  I have found that most people that get nailed by a Brewster then grump on it are flying within the Brewster's favorable flight envelope.  Big mistake depending on what you are flying! 

If there was a change it would not be significant enough to impact the Brewster's usage.  The fact that the Brewster is used more than the Hurricane IIC and it has more or less the same K/D ration does raise the possibility of an ENY change.  At a 30 ENY it is enjoying as much success as a 10 ENY plane, and this should raise an eyebrow. I am sure that there are other correlations to be found if one was to look for them.  I just used the Hurricane IIC because it was used in comparison earlier.  If HTC chooses to incorporate other factors into their decision (which they probably would), means it would probably be a very small ENY change. 

[Lusche]

At a 30 ENY it is enjoying as much success as a 10 ENY plane, and this should raise an eyebrow.

Don't raise it too much. You would end up with giving the P-38J ENY 5 and probably a perk status even

In tour 128, the B-239 and the HurriC had about the same K/D
If you take a very close look at Brewster and Hurricanes stats in tour 128, you will discover that many more players did fly the Hurricane. You will also note that the Brew had a few very dedicated experts, the Hurricane had not. The top 3 Brew aces had 23% of all kills (with a average K/D of 4.22) while the top 3 HurriC aces had only 10% of all Hurri kills with a K/D of only 0.99)

A few dedicated pilots can skew a planes overall K/D beyond what we would expect by raw performance data. The mentioned P-38J is a prime example. Heck, I had  boosted the MA K/D of some rare birds by ~50% all by myself.

[Wiley]

I would also respectfully submit that a good number of people are refraining from using it because it's seen as easymode.  I could be wrong on that, but I think a lot of average pilots avoid them for that reason.

It seems to me that guys that habitually fly the Brew, the Hurri C and the P38 in particular are either new, or they have put in significant time to get to know them well enough to be REALLY good with them, thus skewing the stats.

It seems to me that HTC has set up the ENY so that less skilled guys have something they can do ok in at every 'level', so that might be playing a part as well, that the Brew is the 30 ENY twisty plane of choice.

Wiley.

[Wmaker]

Had a change of heart while reading arguements Wmaker.

Ok, that's fair enough.

The only reason the Hurri is 'better' is because of the hizookas.

False.

While the speed on the deck is indeed very very important (Brewster is couple mph faster on the deck), Hurricane is still faster at most altitudes and climbs better with WEP at all altitudes aswell. Also, some traits that are very important in fighter vs fighter combat haven't even been mentioned in this thread. one is that Hurricane is still far more stable gun platform (one of the best in the game infact) than Brewster and has a lot better six view.

...for some reason, things like these are *conviniently* forgotten.

I would also respectfully submit that a good number of people are refraining from using it because it's seen as easymode.  I could be wrong on that, but I think a lot of average pilots avoid them for that reason.

It seems to me that guys that habitually fly the Brew, the Hurri C and the P38 in particular are either new, or they have put in significant time to get to know them well enough to be REALLY good with them, thus skewing the stats.

It seems to me that HTC has set up the ENY so that less skilled guys have something they can do ok in at every 'level', so that might be playing a part as well, that the Brew is the 30 ENY twisty plane of choice.

This really isn't worth answering.

[JunkyII]

Uou would have to agree that most of the fights in the MA are lower alt fights. I personally dont fly over 7-8k very often because there really isnt a need to even with the guys flying a 15k.

[Wmaker]

Uou would have to agree that most of the fights in the MA are lower alt fights.

Certainly I agree with that! The highest alt I ever climb with Brewster prior arriving to an enemy field is 9-10k and that is fairly rare. I will climb higher after spotting cons at higher alts off course

I just don't quite see your point? Where are you getting at? Is it something I said regards the speeds of the Hurricane on the deck compared to the Brewster? In this guest for the right eny on these planes, I think too many people are too hung up on how they do vs each other instead of thinking what traits are generally needed in the MA.

[Lusche]

one is that Hurricane is still far more stable gun platform (one of the best in the game infact)

And this is (combined with maneuverability) exactly the reason why the Hurri got monikers like "winged wirbel" or "rotating gun platform". You simply whirl  it around, point & shoot. Reach out & touch.