Angela Merkel

[Ardy123]

the bottom quote is the one you were asking what my reaction would be if she were a legal citizen? i believe she was. so yes.

 no, i do not fantasize about punishing anyone. the only thing i really think should be done to illegals, is to send them home. i don't wanna put em in jail, because i don't want to keep paying for them. send them home.
 if you read that link i put up, you'd have noted that when eisenhower did this, the way he did it, not many came back, as they do now. this is why i said to copy his methods.

 as for the 16 year old having 5 babies....there is absolutley no excuse in the world for that. maybe....possibly.......she didn't know the first time. i can't see how, but give her the benifit of the doubt.......by the time she hit #5 though? c'mon.,,....get real......do you really think they weren't her fault?(along with the dude(s) that got her pregnant?) the remember, if she's under 16, it's statutory rape. the kid(s) that got her pregnant should be in juvi.......she should too, and adopt her kids out to caring families, so they can have a chance at a decent life, rather than the life of living with a welfare mother......

Ok, cap, why then would you say such things in the first place if you don't believe in it?  blinded by frustration?

[CAP1]

Ok, cap, why then would you say such things in the first place if you don't believe in it?  blinded by frustration?

my punishment comment was directed at what basically amounts to kids. i don't like the thought of kids being tossed into jail.

 as for punishing employers that hire illegals.......i harbor no reservations whatsoever about tossing them in jail. none. nada. zilch.

 as for illegals, all i've said this entire thread about them, is that they are criminals as long as they are here, and should be looked upon as such.
and ya.....stuff like this does piss me off.

 

[Perrine]

eisenhower did better than that in the 50's.

I see this as a gameplay of offense/defense

Eisenhower's "defense" was the first of its kind to stop  "conventional" offense, since it said in the article, "...America's southern frontier was as porous as a spaghetti sieve".

Over the years (around 1970s to 90s) the "offense" part "improved" through "unconventional" means. It rendered conventional "defense" such as constructing walls useless since unconventional "offense" can bypass that.

The "defense" catched up (and I think it's) due to Post 9-11 environment, and advances in technology (drones, "virtual walls" etc)

Also, the "offense" is not just on the south.  There are trickle numbers from west of the pacific.  You can enter US 'legally', but if your visa expires and can't afford renewal, or simply missed deadline for renewal, then you return or risk overstay (and become illegal)  This is a trap that some people chose or forced into.  Due to this the next "defense" may be for the US federal gov to mandate and issue National ID Card to keep account the number of its citizens, visitors and permanent residents (green card holders) in the country.  This could be used to screen and weed out those who do not fit the descriptions aforementioned.
(EDIT:  Since there's SSN which almost functions as a national id, just "upgrade" by turning it into a durable card, add photo and implement tamper-proof technologies.  Then mandate that SSN card must be with you along with the state ID at all times.)

[CAP1]

I see this as a gameplay of offense/defense

Eisenhower's "defense" was the first of its kind to  "conventional" offense, since it said in the article, "...America's southern frontier was as porous as a spaghetti sieve".

Over the years (around 1970s to 90s) the "offense" part "improved" through "unconventional" means. It rendered conventional "defense" such as constructing walls useless since unconventional "offense" can bypass that.

The "defense" catched up (and I think it's) due to Post 9-11 environment, and advances in technology (drones, "virtual walls" etc)

Also, the "offense" is not just on the south.  There are trickle numbers from west of the pacific.  You can enter US 'legally', but if your visa expires and can't afford it then you return or risk overstay (and become illegal)  This is a trap that some people chose or forced into.  Due to this the next "defense" may be for the US federal gov to mandate and issue National ID Card to keep account the number of its citizens, visitors and permanent residents (green card holders) in the country.  This could be used to screen and weed out those who do not fit the descriptions aforementioned.

America "was faced with a breakdown in law enforcement on a very large scale," Mr. Brownell said. "When I say large scale, I mean hundreds of thousands were coming in from Mexico [every year] without restraint."

this is what he was faced with......

According to the Handbook of Texas Online, published by the University of Texas at Austin and the Texas State Historical Association, this illegal workforce had a severe impact on the wages of ordinary working Americans. The Handbook Online reports that a study by the President's Commission on Migratory Labor in Texas in 1950 found that cotton growers in the Rio Grande Valley, where most illegal aliens in Texas worked, paid wages that were "approximately half" the farm wages paid elsewhere in the state.

Profits from illegal labor led to the kind of corruption that apparently worried Eisenhower. Joseph White, a retired 21-year veteran of the Border Patrol, says that in the early 1950s, some senior US officials overseeing immigration enforcement "had friends among the ranchers," and agents "did not dare" arrest their illegal workers.

 so you can see how this hurts the legal workers......

 it was/is caused in large part by this crap.......which eisenhower did his damndest to change.....
During the 1950s, however, this "Good Old Boy" system changed under Eisenhower – if only for about 10 years.

In 1954, Ike appointed retired Gen. Joseph "Jumpin' Joe" Swing, a former West Point classmate and veteran of the 101st Airborne, as the new INS commissioner.


One of Swing's first decisive acts was to transfer certain entrenched immigration officials out of the border area to other regions of the country where their political connections with people such as Senator Johnson would have no effect.


with this as the result....

Then on June 17, 1954, what was called "Operation Wetback" began. Because political resistance was lower in California and Arizona, the roundup of aliens began there. Some 750 agents swept northward through agricultural areas with a goal of 1,000 apprehensions a day. By the end of July, over 50,000 aliens were caught in the two states. Another 488,000, fearing arrest, had fled the country.

By mid-July, the crackdown extended northward into Utah, Nevada, and Idaho, and eastward to Texas.

By September, 80,000 had been taken into custody in Texas, and an estimated 500,000 to 700,000 illegals had left the Lone Star State
voluntarily.

and here is one of the keys........

Unlike today, Mexicans caught in the roundup were not simply released at the border, where they could easily reenter the US. To discourage their return, Swing arranged for buses and trains to take many aliens deep within Mexico before being set free.

Tens of thousands more were put aboard two hired ships, the Emancipation and the Mercurio. The ships ferried the aliens from Port Isabel, Texas, to Vera Cruz, Mexico, more than 500 miles south.

The sea voyage was "a rough trip, and they did not like it," says Don Coppock, who worked his way up from Border Patrolman in 1941 to eventually head the Border Patrol from 1960 to 1973.

 now, i do agree with you on one thing. the problem is a little different now, than it was back then. back then, i think it was mostly a mexican illegal thing. today, it's many many more. a lot of the non-mexican illegals still come in through mexico though(i think), so this same solution would work wonders. especially combined with arizona's initiative, this problem would all but dissappear in a year or less....just as it did in 1954.

 i should reiterate....i do not have any issues with those coming here legally. those that choose to integrate into our society. i do however have very large issues with illegals.

 another way to look at it for those of you that think they should be allowed here.

many states issue drivers lisences to illegals(i think pa is one of them). if thye can't get a lisence, they just go out and buy a pos car for cash money. no insurance, fake tags, and no money so to speak.

 so now it's raining. a 1996 pontiac grand prix runs a light, broadsides your minivan. you're driving, your wife, and 2 kids are in the van.

 you are the only survivor in the van. you've now just lost everything that was your life to a person that should not have been living here, much less driving a 4,000 pound weapon.
 
 do you still think they should be allowed here?

[Ardy123]

i don't like the thought of kids being tossed into jail.

I agree with not sending kids to jail, I guess I don't understand then what your 'very very ungood thought' is, if your not implying a serious criminal action.

[CAP1]

I agree with not sending kids to jail, I guess I don't understand then what your 'very very ungood thought' is, if your not implying a serious criminal action.

in my mind that is it. if they continue to repeat such serious mistakes, then it would seem to be the only solution. i can't imagine in the timeframe to have 5 kids that no one took the time to tell her or the guys doing this to her that it is wrong.

[Serenity]

Just want to remind all of you that are supporting the concept of illegal immigrants that you are SUPPORTING the violation of federal law. Welcome to level of street scum, thugs, drug dealers and murderers. Enjoy your stay in the moral cesspool!

[CAP1]

Just want to remind all of you that are supporting the concept of illegal immigrants that you are SUPPORTING the violation of federal law. Welcome to level of street scum, thugs, drug dealers and murderers. Enjoy your stay in the moral cesspool!

 

[slayem]

Dont do anything about the border. We might want to get into Mexico to look for jobs before long.

[CAP1]

Dont do anything about the border. We might want to get into Mexico to look for jobs before long.

even if i lose my shop(the only way i will lose my job), i have a guy that'll hire me tomorrow driving his tow trucks. that's my foot in the door to turn wrenches for him.
 if not, i have plenty of people that'll bring their cars to my home, and i'll fix em here in my garage.


 i'm 48, been working since i was 15, at one point holding 4 jobs down.....and in all that time, i collected one unemployment check. i don't plan on starting now.

[Perrine]

Dont do anything about the border. We might want to get into Mexico to look for jobs before long.

nah next logical choice is canada

Prepare for drought of bliblical proportions!



annex canada!

[oneway]

Just want to remind all of you that are supporting the concept of illegal immigrants that you are SUPPORTING the violation of federal law. Welcome to level of street scum, thugs, drug dealers and murderers. Enjoy your stay in the moral cesspool!

 

[bagrat]

We had one girl that I knew in middle school.

got pregnant in 5th grade, had it in sixth grade and then got pregnant right after she had the first baby.

She is up to 5 and she is a sophomore in high school.

its a real late response, but oh man u oughta come a little further south to corpus. All the gangster wanabes are everywhere, not to mention all the pregnant ganster girls who never shut up and act like they wanna fight guys (while pregnant). An then when u tell em to STFU! every guy they ever banged wants to fight u now, like they are all baby daddy partners or something.

[VonMessa]

The crux of the issue, from what I can see, is:

If you want to come work here, do it legally.

I have no problem with immigration.  I'm not even really concerned about the criminal aspect.  I'm almost positive that most folks trying to get across the border aren't doing it for kicks, or to be a criminal.  Most are simply trying to find a better life for their families,

It's all about the money.  If more people stopped trying to bypass the system (Natural Citizens included) the tax burden would be shared by a much broader pool of people therefore easing the burden for everyone.

Wanna come to America?  No problem, here is your SSN.

Welcome to America.

Now pay taxes.

Wanna come illegally?

Here is your 8 weeks of Basic Training, a canteen, a uniform, a weapon and government sponsored trip to the Middle East (or wherever we happen to be at the time).  See you in 18 months 

There are certain expectations that I (and others) have of our government.  I am under no illusion that these benefits should be free.  The taxpayers money is what (supposedly) pays for these things. 

You want to be privy to these benefits?  Contribute.

[mijoieau]

Because Germany is, the shining exampled for tolerance................
is just one quote, i read today the chancellor is not so they are going back to Hitler times, they hate the new, it was just a new stoy i was reading .
BUT i am a bigot and many other things but in the end we are people and that's it, if you country has spent to much to be on top its time to pay that bill, as am aussie i don't care much for BS or any other people, but i am just one of them, when times get tough this crap happens, its not about how it was, it is now, get a grip and let it roll as you can do nothing about it away.
BTW Pissie little Australia imports 300,000 a year, we are only about 25 mill when i was a kid.

In tough times attacking people that have had jack inst going to make it right your just whining, everyone who puts in the hard yards has their time.
FFS i am sick of baby boomers with the easy life of real estate they have had, but i am not squeaking just saying they were the right place and time , its the place in time for the others, so suck up what you had and get over it or compete on a new platform, treat it like a game upgrade you have to get used to it or F&$% off and don't play but don't squeak about it in the forums.

You have to be smarter by the day in life, i have had 10 different jobs now none would now pay my bills so i did new stuff and it makes money. Its easy but harder if all you do is squeak about how hard it is, its a big world now get used to it and fast, we cant just bomb people because they are different, now when it happens it cost money so then you go broke.
 From an old ghay band
People are people
So why should it be
You and I should get along so awfully
People are people
So why should it be
You and I should get along so awfully

So we're different colours
And we're different creeds
And different people
Have different needs
It's obvious you hate me
Though I've done nothing wrong
I've never even met you
So what could I have done
I can't understand
..