The dweeb from dweebistan

[Ack-Ack]

Moot point.  

Ack-ack, on average, you are fighting the average player in the Main arena in any given fight.  This is basic statistics.  I could care less about how you fare against the average player.  Vets should hand the average player his bellybutton in any plane matchup.  Why?  Because the average player sucks, due to lack of experience and quality equipment.  What I'm talking about is the player that is 'pretty good', maybe 85-90th percentile.  You are somewhere in the high 90's percentile wise.  Put the player who is in the 80-90th percentile in a SpitVI, and he will hand you are bellybutton more times than not, this is very clear.  It's not a knock on you, it's just the reality that regardless how good you fly your p38, it has limitations when matched against a dweeb ride like a spit16.

Maybe since I had come to the realization many years ago that it's the pilot and not the plane, we're never going to agree because you think it's the plane that wins the fight.

ack-ack

[FLOTSOM]

funny......i thought you guys were discussing the spitXVI do we even have the spitVI in the game?????????

[The Fugitive]

I landed 2 kills in a c47 after 2 ponies caught me on the deck and jumped me. I was able to maneuver till both finally augered into the trees. It pays to not give up hope when in a bad predicament.

When I ran the Mafia, this (bolded text)is one of the things I use to push to my sqaudmates. When we first came over from AWIII it was a pretty tough transition as most only flew in Relaxed PAC. The flight model was tough to get use to and people would get discouraged easy. The point was your already screwed, see if you can find a way out of it and no, running to ack isn't a way out   It's a game and nobody really dies, try some of the pilot crap and you might learn something!

As for the OP, a dweeb ride is the ride you find MOST dweebs riding. It use to be the LA7 (fast, descent turner, good cannons), now it's the Spit16. The IL2 is a dweeb ride, especially when used to hit GVs. Less skilled players are going to gravitate to the planes that give them the best chance for a kill. The Spit16 fits that bill due to how stable it is as well as it turning well, has good speed and cannons. A guy that can keep a kill per sortie average all month in a spit is ok, but then have him try the same thing in any of the 109s. In most cases the guy will quit the game before he gets good enough to keep a 1 for 1 for a month.

Those that fly Spits because they like them, and are some of those "skilled" players mention just happen to be painted with the same brush unfortunately. Same goes for us 38 drivers, we are ALL expected to crash land them, it's just how it goes.

For me landing kills in the...

C202
k4 (except Muppets as we all know they cheat)
109's
p39
and the early birds of each group are the one that impress me.

[waystin2]

Well let's just throw it out there!  Perk the
Spit 16 it's too uber!!!  

[Reaper90]

for the La's on the other hand, I always see lots of people on 200 calling them dweeb rides, It is true that they give you lots to work with from the start, but it still takes a considerable amount of skill to fly it to its fullest potential. and even when I find myself in an La-7 instead of a 5FN, I still prefer to take the ShVAK's instead of the B20's as I am used to how terrible they are

This.

LA-7: marginal to poor cannons (better be around 200 off, high deflection shots are a pipe dream), limited ammo, marginal to poor turning ability at low speeds, mediocre climb unless you have some e really stored up, aweful dreadful fuel consumtion....

 


dweeb ride

[Ardy123]

The way I see it, sure the old adage, the pilot, not the plane makes the kill but give one pilot a Superior advantage in equipment and that can somewhat make up for the skill of the other pilot.

WARNING, extreme example...

pilot A is in a spit 16, pilot B is in a f22. F-22 launches radar guided missile from 5 miles out, kills spit 16. Skill of spit 16 pilot had no effect.

Less extreme example...

I was fighting a guy in a spit 9 with my 190 A5 co-e on the side DA fields. I could not kill him, I could never get the angle because I had no advantages to use to acquire it. I then switched to a spit 9 and was able to kill the other spit 9 with ease. My skills didn't change, the plane did.

As much as we would like to say its all pilot, its not, the equipment has a huge effect too.

[grizz441]

Maybe since I had come to the realization many years ago that it's the pilot and not the plane, we're never going to agree because you think it's the plane that wins the fight.

ack-ack

Actually it's both, as I have clearly shown.

I can see maybe why you incorrectly think this though.  Back when you came to this realization(many years ago), you were in the golden age of Aces high, where all things Pwn and Skill graced the game at a single moment in time.  Never again will such concentrated skill exist in Aces High or any other game for that matter.  It is simply impossible.  This is probably why you discredit a plane's ability, since you come from a time where cartoon gods could rack up hundreds of kills in p40b's without ever squeezing the trigger.

[ACE]

there's some excellent non-muppet k4 pile-its out there too ya know......

[Ardy123]

Maybe since I had come to the realization many years ago that it's the pilot and not the plane, we're never going to agree because you think it's the plane that wins the fight.

ack-ack

ack-ack,
seriously, you think if you got killed by a Spit16 it was because of a lack of skill on your part? what if you were in a c47?

I'm not trolling here, I find it surprising.

[dirtdart]

I don't find the la to be dweeby just the perpetual ho guys that give it a bad rap.  Like the n1k2 and the 110 there is an expectation this will be the tactic.  

[Ack-Ack]

Actually it's both, as I have clearly shown.

I can see maybe why you incorrectly think this though.  Back when you came to this realization(many years ago), you were in the golden age of Aces high, where all things Pwn and Skill graced the game at a single moment in time.  Never again will such concentrated skill exist in Aces High or any other game for that matter.  It is simply impossible.  This is probably why you discredit a plane's ability, since you come from a time where cartoon gods could rack up hundreds of kills in p40b's without ever squeezing the trigger.

no, I came to the realization way back in the AW DOS days flying against guys like -HR-, Deadduck, Bullethead, Rocketman, etc.

ack-ack

[dirtdart]

Well for those who answered, interesting choices, nearly forgot about the early Jugs  . 

To the thread jackers flicking bugers at each other...Bah!

[SectorNine50]

I'm intrigued to see the LA's on the list so often.  I've never thought of them as a very challenging aircraft to fly well...

[HL117]

When we first came over from AWIII it was a pretty tough transition as most only flew in Relaxed PAC.

The spits actually feel, too me like RR from AW they are so forgiving it 's funny. Dweeb Ride ?

Define a Dweeb.


Easy to fly definately.......... 


HL

[CAP1]

there are really no dweeb rides, only dween pile-its.