Beating a dead horse

[sling322]

Geez....this is getting worse than the CHOG whining!!  Havent flown much this tour because of having to move and still trying to get settled in and stuff, but I see I havent missed a damn thing....lots of the same old folks still whinin' about the same old things.

[BigGun]

Re-read and just think all of the statements you said about Nik2 are not true & exagerations, there by qualifying them as BS.

As for your superior flying skills, <S>

BgMAW (aka yomawMAW)

[Fatty]

DeeZee are you making this stuff up as you go along?  If so, you might tone it down a bit so folks might actually believe some of it.

And yeah, boy that 190a5 is real tough to handle  

[flakbait]

Originally posted by Don:

The N1k1 was patterned after the P-47 which the Japanese had come up against and were losing planes to. It came at a time during WW2 when the Japanese, out of desperation were trying to match western technology in a/c design because the zero was being outmatched and outclassed by allied planes.
They copied the P-47 design and developed their own based on that...hence the Nik1/N1k2.
It was flawed but had potential to compete well with allied planes if it hadn't been developed sooner and if they had more reliable materials and parts.
It could climb like a scalded monkee but was less manueverable than the zeke due to it's weight and size. In AH it is way too manueverable to be historically accurate. It was modelled with 4 cannon, mostly because the Japanese wanted it to be able to take down allied bombers; trouble was, it didnt have the ceiling to overtake allied buffs. It was more of a homeland defense a/c than anything but, a few were used against allied a/c in island defense. One had supposedly shot down Pappy Boyington in 1943.

Ummm, no. The N1K1 was a float-plane fighter designed in 1940. The first prototype flew in May of '42, but the counter-rotating props were dropped as being too complex. Armament was the same as the A6M2 Zero at the start. They gave it a single prop driven via an extention shaft before production started in July of 1943. By March of 44 only 83 had been built, and the program was dropped. In mid-December of 41 they decided to make a land-based fighter variant of the N1K1. Maiden flight was December 21st 1942. Armament was the same as the float-plane version at the start. It was re-designated the N1K1-J Shinden to reflect the changes.

The whole thing can be read here: http://www.csd.uwo.ca/~pettypi/elevon/baugher_other/n1k.html


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Flakbait [Delta6]
Delta Six's Flight School
Put the P-61B in Aces High
"For yay did the sky darken, and split open and spew forth fire, and
through the smoke rode the Four Wurgers of the Apocalypse.
And on their canopies was tattooed the number of the Beast, and the
number was 190." Jedi, Verse Five, Capter Two, The Book of Dweeb
 

[DeeZCamp]

MAking stuff up as I Go along? are you nutts? ? Ive done it..   I have flown the n1k.. and its really easy to do anything in that plane. The fight can almost always be on your terms.

THE loop example is not exagerated.. IT can be done..


Try a Double I-man... and then even stretch it to go as far as to continue a shallow climb at the top of the second one...

The n1k must have a Pratt&whittney F-100 afterburning engine..

as for the mark about not being able to fly a 190A5 fatty I suggest you look at which aircraft is easier to fly.. the N1k or a Fockewulf....

I think most will agree that the n1k is by far the easier plane to fly and turn the tables on someone. Also I listed A8, not just a5.. so uhmm. yeah

The n1k is getting fixed.. or at least it has been said by HTC THEMSLEVES... so what is the argument??

they have said that it is JACKED up.. (in not so direct terms)

its "Uber" and that is why it is gett fixed....

[AKDejaVu]

? Ive done it..  I have flown the n1k.. and its really easy to do anything in that plane.

Then there should be no problem presenting video showing the plane pulling 7-8 g's at 350 knots continuously without bleeding e.  Nor would it be any problem providing video of the damage inflicted with the uber cannons.  Come one deez... put up or shut up.

 

The fight can almost always be on your terms.

That applies to the pilot and not the plane.  The difference between a good pilot and a bad pilot is the individual's ability to control the terms of the fight.  The aircraft takes a back seat in that scenario.

 

THE loop example is not exagerated.. IT can be done..

Explain why it shouldn't be possible.  The N1K2 is not the only plane that can do this.  So far, nobody has been able to explain why it shouldn't be possible.

And.. by citing the one thing that was not exagerated, you have lent great credence to the fact that the rest of it was.

 

as for the mark about not being able to fly a 190A5 fatty I suggest you look at which aircraft is easier to fly.. the N1k or a Fockewulf....

I know which one is easier to hit... the N1K2.  Where the N1K can beat the 190 in turning, the 190 kills it in flopping around the sky.  I know I'd rather see someone trying to outmaneuver me flying an N1K2 than see someone simply stir the stick all over the place flying a 190A-5.

AKDejaVu

[Fatty]

The argument is that it doesn't do what's claimed.  I don't have any problem with them looking at and changing the flight model, I have a problem with claims like  

You can also do a break turn at around 350 mph.. about 7-8G's.. continuous hold.. (180 degree turn)... and continue on.. with same engergy amount as before you entered the turn.

The reason I point out the 190a5 is because I also get tired of people that fly the n1k getting accused of flying an "easymode" plane.  The 190a5 is undisputably a 190a8 in easymode.

Any plane that has positve level acceleration if capable of climbing into the loop will end with more energy than it started, by the way.  I would be much more concerned if when you got back where you started you had somehow run out of energy.

[AKSWulfe]

"Digression aside- there are some issues with N1K2 flight modeling that require some further work and changes."
-Pyro

It's unknown what the issues are or what the work and changes will be.
-SW

[Urchin]

The reason I point out the 190a5 is because I also get tired of people that fly the n1k getting accused of flying an "easymode" plane. The 190a5 is undisputably a 190a8 in easymode.

 

While I quail at disagreeing with such an eminent pilot such as yourself, I must disagree.  The 190A5 is more manueverable, yes- but you sacrifice the two MGs, as well as 160 rounds of 20mm ammo, making the outboard pair of 20mm cannons basically dead weight if you take them.  The 190A5 doesn't even have the option of twin 30mm cannons like the 190A8 does (which in my opinion is the only gun option to take- you won't get many hits in the 190a8 so they have to count).  The 190A5 is more like an air superiority fighter, the A8 is an interceptor.

[Urchin]

I know which one is easier to hit... the N1K2. Where the N1K can beat the 190 in turning, the 190 kills it in flopping around the sky. I know I'd rather see someone trying to outmaneuver me flying an N1K2 than see someone simply stir the stick all over the place flying a 190A-5.

AKDejaVu

 

Deja, I respect you as a person and as a pilot... but I have to ask this.  What exactly IS this "stick-stirring" you speak of?  That is just about the only thing I EVER hear people talk about when they are talking about fighting a 190.

Are you referring to jinking?  By which I mean small random course changes, performed in order to throw an opponents aim off.  Are you referring to something else?  

Because if you are referring to jinking, it ought to be fairly obvious why the 190 pilots do it- their planes can't outturn 90% of the other planes.

[AKSWulfe]

It's taking the joystick and yanking it back and forth to produce warps on the other guy's front end (software). The 190 isn't the only plane that does it, but it's the most prominent and proficient at it.
-SW

[AKDejaVu]

The A5 outruns many planes in the arena and any plane that I fly.  A typical engagement:

A5 comes in with alt advantage.  I turn to engage.  A5 goes for HO shot and might turn to continue engagement.  If I get behind it.. it starts flopping all over (er.. "jinking") as it continues to accelerate away.

The N1Ks stay and fight.. or at least behave in a somewhat fluid manner.  The average A5 pilot seems to play the game more than fly the plane.  Take that for what its worth.

I've been on your 6 before urchin.. stayed there too.  The "jinking" your plane was doing is not really anything I've seen in gun-cam footage.  I really don't think you understand that until you continually see it happen.

AKDejaVu

[DeeZCamp]

hehe this is funny.. how could you even remotly think that the A5/A8 are some Warp inducing device? lol I guess if you equate the roll rate of the 190 to the massive Flat turn ability, then you could have both the same visual latency problems..

or perhaps your just on a bad connection.

The funny part of the whole discussion is how you keep refering to how when ON THE 190's 6'oclock... well Right there it shows that ... gee hehe Most people wind up there in that position because of the POOR energy retention of a 190A5/8 the Poor speed in level flight.. and the Extreamly poor sustained turn rate.

All of this makes for a VASTLY UN-superior plane in contrast to the Mystical majic Energy less N1k wonder that it is.

Yes Hitech is checking into the N1k "it has issues" lol.. yeah OF course that is what they are going to say... You think that they are going to outright come and say.. "you know...guys... The n1k SUCKS.. the flight model is completey fake, and it doesnt react to the laws of physics like most of the planes do were gonna correct that issue"

Gee ... No duh? Sounds like typical politics to me.

The best n1k pilot vs the best 190A8/5 pilot is going to show that the 190 pilot will have to work harder to earn the kill,... that is all i was saying about the FW vs n1k  in a skillset scenerio.

[AKSWulfe]

Originally posted by DeeZCamp:
hehe this is funny.. how could you even remotly think that the A5/A8 are some Warp inducing device? lol I guess if you equate the roll rate of the 190 to the massive Flat turn ability, then you could have both the same visual latency problems..

You answered your own sarcastic remark right there.

The 190 has the fastest roll rate in the game. Data rate and net code can not keep up with it's roll rate. Thus it's rolling position isn't updated fast enough and makes it appear to be warping.
-SW

[DeeZCamp]

no.. the funny thing is that.. Because of this you think it is advantageous lol

I would understand if the plane Zoomed out of view and aroudn to your 6 because of packet loss, etc... but becasue the planes movement on (your FE) would cause you to think that it has an advantage is just funny.  

I mean.. IS that really a problem to you?.. does it lose you or others so bad?

It doesnt affect me..