Author Topic: Beating a dead horse (Read 4316 times)

DeeZCamp · « **Reply #105 on:** July 31, 2001, 02:28:00 PM »

Also to reiterate flight modeling lol.. then What you are saying is that HTC is messing with the "FLIGHT MODEL" in order to complement internet lag?... wow.. that would be pretty crazy.. I guess its starting to sound like most of the planes are not actually to spec.. but rather.. to appease the net... Hmmmm?

that other sim sounds like it may have more realistic flight more and more.. lol

Urchin · « **Reply #106 on:** July 31, 2001, 02:46:00 PM »

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I've been on your 6 before urchin.. stayed there too. The "jinking" your plane was doing is not really anything I've seen in gun-cam footage. I really don't think you understand that until you continually see it happen.

If you have film of me doing this "stick stirring", please send it to me- so I can maybe see what my actions look like from another point of view. If you don't have any of me, just send me a few so I can know exactly what it is you are referring to- I think you are right when you say I won't know what it is until I see it a lot.

When I fly the 190 and a "turny" plane gets on my 6- yes, I accelerate away. To prevent them from getting a shot I normally make little turns (like itty bitty one person scissors) and a lot of small barrell roles. If I have the altitude for it, I dispsense with the crap and just head for the deck. If I get bounce by a plane I think I can knife-fight with on even terms, I generally attempt to make a large "rolling reversal", or start a flat break in one direction and reverse it- either initiating scissors or getting on the bandits tail.

I will admit that it seems puzzling to me that if you utilize your planes strengths by diving away from a plane that is more agile but slower than you, you are looked down on? I will admit I look down on La7s that run from me 1v1, but then again they are more manueverable AND faster than the planes that I fly.

Another interesting comment Deja -

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The N1Ks stay and fight.. or at least behave in a somewhat fluid manner. The average A5 pilot seems to play the game more than fly the plane. Take that for what its worth.

Of course the Niks stay and fight- their strength is in a turnfight. The sentence "The Average A5 pilot seems to play the game more than fly the plane" rather confuses me to be honest. What do you mean here?

Also, I've FLOWN an A8 against an F6F- it is not an easy fight. We basically did every type of scissors I've ever heard of, and then some. He did eventually get on my tail and shoot me down- then he bounced me a couple times later (the first fight was more coE, both of us attacking) and shot me down quite easily.

And lastly, DeeZ- you aren't helping. I know this sounds "ingrateful" since you are ostenibly on my side, but out and out exagerations of the planes abilities are going to make people more hostile to the idea of well... I hate it

I hate SEEING it all the time, I hate FIGHTING them, I and really don't even like RUNNING from them, even though I know it is the best thing to do. That is really all the thread is about. It isn't about whether or not the plane can loop from here to Jupiter.

Urchin · « **Reply #107 on:** July 31, 2001, 02:57:00 PM »

And lastly- I don't even really think the plane is "overmodelled". Everything I've read about it (which isn't much, granted), speaks of the plane as an extremely formidable opponent, and one that was the equal or better of every plane the U.S. had in the Pacific Theatre. I want it perked BECAUSE it is such a formidable ride, and it is far and away the most common ride in the MA, to the point of nausea in my case.

Karnak · « **Reply #108 on:** July 31, 2001, 03:02:00 PM »

DeeZCamp,

All aircraft in AH have engines, therefor all aircraft in AH gain energy as they climb. The N1K2-J is not unique in that feature, if it were, no other aircraft in AH could get off the ground.

Most of the fighters (maybe all, I haven't tried them all) in AH can do the "endless loops while gaining altitude" trick. These are relatively light aircraft with powerful engines. Once again the N1K2-J is not unique.

The A6M5b and all Spitfires in AH out turn the N1K2-J, and the Spitfire MkIX out runs it at higher altitudes. The N1K2-J is not the best turning aircraft in AH.

No matter how many times I've tried, I've never been able to do a 180 degree break turn in the N1K2-J without losing energy. Could you please tell me how to do it? Maybe the N1K2-J doesn't bleed enough energy, that is what I am guessing anyways, but it certainly bleeds energy.

I have never accelerated in a steep climb in the N1K2-J, nor have I been able to hang on its prop as if it were a helicopter. Could you please tell me how to do this?

The N1K2-J's flight model will be revised in 1.08 it seems. Maybe it'll suck afterwards, like all Japanese aircraft apparently should, but I doubt it. I bet the changes will be reasonably subtle and many of the tactics that the N1K2-J uses now, will continue to be used after 1.08 is released.

AKDejaVu · « **Reply #109 on:** July 31, 2001, 03:15:00 PM »

Urchin,

I'm sorry, but when you say the things about a plane that you said in your initial post, you are being quite insulting... even if that wasn't your intention. Now, maybe you see just how insulting it can be when anyone says anything about the plane you like to fly.

AKDejaVu

AKSWulfe · « **Reply #110 on:** July 31, 2001, 03:41:00 PM »

DeeZ, show me one place where I said it was advantegous to them or anything along those lines.

I was describing what stick stirring is.
Maybe you should pay attention. And no, that other game doesn't sound any better.. I'm sure there are a LOT of holes in it's flight model.
-SW

Don · « **Reply #111 on:** July 31, 2001, 04:01:00 PM »

Flakbait:

Thanks for the link. Interesting too, I read a book a month ago about the designer of the zero which, went into the competition for gvpt contracts in anticipation of the coming war. The book made no mention of the N1k1 or 2 even being in the competition. I have read quite a bit about ww2 a/c and recall the info about the george or shiden being contrary to what the article you recommended described.
Hehe, ya can't trust what you read. What I did find fascinating and believable though is the fact that, the western powers had underestimated the technical capabilities of the Japanese, and were taken completely by surprise at the quality of Japanese a/c. What I read may have been tainted by this Hubris. It is true that America knew virtually little about the Japanese culture or technical capabilities.
Thanks for the information.

Urchin · « **Reply #112 on:** July 31, 2001, 04:17:00 PM »

As usual, you are correct, Deja. I did not think to see it that way. <S>.

DeeZCamp · « **Reply #113 on:** July 31, 2001, 04:23:00 PM »

hehe wulf.. let me guess you havent even compared the too yet by trying it have you?

AKSWulfe · « **Reply #114 on:** July 31, 2001, 05:06:00 PM »

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Originally posted by DeeZCamp:
hehe wulf.. let me guess you havent even compared the too yet by trying it have you?

What the hell are you talking about?
-SW

DeeZCamp · « **Reply #115 on:** July 31, 2001, 05:34:00 PM »

what am i talking about?

THE other SIM duh....

AKSWulfe · « **Reply #116 on:** July 31, 2001, 05:38:00 PM »

No, I have not tried it. Civil aviation doesn't float my boat, I'd use that 50$ to buy the game and rent myself a ride on a flight for a couple weekends.

Fact is: You can never get a 100% perfect flight model on a home PC. They simply do not have enough computing power to do the calculations required to get a perfect or near perfect flight model.

Boeing's full motion simulators have in excess of 20 600Mhz processors to calculate the flight model for each simulator. (that's per simulator)
-SW

DeeZCamp · « **Reply #117 on:** July 31, 2001, 07:51:00 PM »

uhm.. hehe yeah.. well I guess if your not even going to try it.. then.. anything you say.. is pure opinion and .. completey ignorant.

Give me a freaking break... ALL this time.. and you havnt even downloaded the free demo and tried it.

Wait let me say that again.. so you understand that no money is involved..

IT IS FREE... IT IS A FREE DOWNLOAD... YOU DO NOT HAVE TO PAY ANYTHING.... UNDERSTAND???

I only wonder how Boring your life could be man.... I mean ITS LIKE,.. ARE YOU NOT WILLING TO DO ANYTHING!?

Heres a dumb, but seemingly accurate depiction, analogy of your thought process.

Say you go to a fast food place, and you always eat a cheese burger.... never even THINKING of trying that new advertised CHICKEN sandwich...
You think to yourself I hear all about this stupid chicken sandwich and how good it is... Hmmmm should I try it?.. naw.. Ill just stick to THE SAME burger that I have been eating...Change isnt good, And I KNOW that The CHicken sandwich will never be as good or better to WHAT I am used to.

This is actually pretty funny... All your ranting about Code... and Numbers... and you havent even looked into that old topic first hand to try and prove something.. LOL

I know that if someone said ... HEY try this ONE thing... iTS BETTER THAN "----" I would at least have enuff sense to TRY AND LOOK for my self and THEN... MAKE an intelligent decision... WOW

WoW... I thought that you had an open mind, through other postings.. but wow I cant even come close to thinking that anymore, you just proved that from all this time you are only looking at things from your single focused view.

Sad....

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"Civil aviation doesn't float my boat,"

This is really funny... I think, infact i know for a FACT that I have made it EXTREMLY clear that you can fly the aircraft that are here, over there... LOL

wow..

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filadawg · « **Reply #118 on:** July 31, 2001, 08:21:00 PM »

ya know i read bout the first 20 posts then got bored. Fly the 202 man, everyone knows its the suckiest plane in the game, ie the easiest to kill. This sets up the perfect situation where people flock to kill you. Then, if you take your time you end up with the kills, just be prepared for lots and lots of sists if yer buds in their UBERIRON are around.

Take the challenge

Fila

Mathman · « **Reply #119 on:** July 31, 2001, 08:46:00 PM »

I fly the F6F-5 Hellcat