Nothing to see here, move along

[CAP1]

Either you're trolling or you've totally missed the point. We weren't talking about tomorrow, the next year or even the next decade, but a few decades ahead. At this rate the "tons of oil" will run low eventually and the situation isn't helped at all by the chinese converting from their donkeys and bikes to cars, let alone heating with oil.

The market will sort this out, just as it has before. It will come with increasing prices and at some point there will be a market for an alternative, which isn't isn't so much more expensive anymore. It's not like the human kind will be primarly using oil for centuries ahead, even if there was "tons of oil" available.

Eitherway there will eventually be a better source of energy. Think of it as going from steam/wood/coal to oil.

this is an old article......
http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=38645

http://www.321energy.com/editorials/bainerman/bainerman083105.html

http://dimensionalbliss.com/2010/12/04/is-oil-actually-a-renewable-resource/

[Lepape2]

You hit that out of the ball park.

Anyone who has followed this with an 'objective' critical mind knows the science is junk science, and its nothing but a power and money grab.

 

Careful where you think the problem is. I'm starting to think although this whole "do it for our kids and grand kids" is a scam, its still better to than to say "do it for effect in 10,000years". The economy's prosperity is the main reason for this scam to exist and will always be... But my point is that the reason behind making it work doesn't matter at all at long as it makes people work hard for it, even if a minority thinks its a scam because they simply don't have money and power.
Its so easy to control the masses all it takes is an issue with one or two scientific words and the bribed media to cry it out loud.
The science is not wrong its the people behind it - or rather the vector of information.

[Muzzy]

lead acid batteries will not explode without an ignition source. lithium batteries can.

 read the rest of the reports in that link. i saw the prius vs hummer paper, and didn't read that one.

 there are other links in there also....one in particular concerning something as simple as the construction of a nimh battery.

They only explode if they happen to short, and such explosions are rare.  Will check the other links.

http://electronics.howstuffworks.com/lithium-ion-battery2.htm

[CAP1]

They only explode if they happen to short, and such explosions are rare.  Will check the other links.

http://electronics.howstuffworks.com/lithium-ion-battery2.htm

if you're referencin lithium batteries, i would offer you the suggestion of taking one outside, along with a fire extinguisher, and open it up. carefully. 

[Penguin]

i had totally forgotten about deforestation. that is a way(probably the main) that we can/do effect co2 levels. no trees to give us o2........but then we get more(i think) of our o2 from plankton than trees/

Problem is, that carbon dioxide becomes toxic carbonic acid when it dissolves in water.  That means the plankton die, too.  The problem is in the air, over land and on the sea.

-Penguin

[CAP1]

Problem is, that carbon dioxide becomes toxic carbonic acid when it dissolves in water.  That means the plankton die, too.  The problem is in the air, over land and on the sea.

-Penguin

plankton live on it....and provide oxygen.

[Penguin]

CO₂, yes carbonic acid, not so much.  It hits all the way up the food chain as well, since the cells of all creatures must expend extra energy to balance their pH.  It's not as simple as burn-and-dump, it all has to go somewhere.

-Penguin

[Fishu]

this is an old article......
http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=38645

http://www.321energy.com/editorials/bainerman/bainerman083105.html

http://dimensionalbliss.com/2010/12/04/is-oil-actually-a-renewable-resource/

I'm not talking about running out of oil, but about the demand growing too great for the supply, and also about future innovations. Even if more oil is produced deep in the earth, it still will not be as easily available in such great quantities as now, hence we'll be running low in the future, should the demand keep growing.

Eitherway the price of oil will increase with the increased demand. At some point an alternative source of energy, which now is too expensive due to cheap oil and expensive technology for the time being, will become a viable choice.

What's so bad about alternative source of energy? In the future we're sure to have better sources of energy than oil. It'd be a shame if we couldn't research a better source of energy during this century, so that it would be in mass use in the 22nd century.

[CAP1]

I'm not talking about running out of oil, but about the demand growing too great for the supply, and also about future innovations. Even if more oil is produced deep in the earth, it still will not be as easily available in such great quantities as now, hence we'll be running low in the future, should the demand keep growing.

Eitherway the price of oil will increase with the increased demand. At some point an alternative source of energy, which now is too expensive due to cheap oil and expensive technology for the time being, will become a viable choice.

What's so bad about alternative source of energy? In the future we're sure to have better sources of energy than oil. It'd be a shame if we couldn't research a better source of energy during this century, so that it would be in mass use in the 22nd century.

aahh....understood.

this is why i think that experiment norway was doing with solar and hydrogen was one of the best ideas so far.

[oneway]

The Market dictates that TEL is a much cheaper anti-knock additive for petrol than ethanol based alternatives. should we start putting lead in our petrol again?

That's a canard.

There are other ways to produce fuel that will not knock other than adding lead, or federally subsidizing farmers to produce a product that is a net energy loser because they have friends and lobbyists in DC.

Ethanol is a joke.

Its use is mandated by congress, its production is subsidized in excess of 6 billion a year, and there are large import tariffs on it, further insulating the producers of it from competition. Further, unnecessarily diverting domestic cereal production and meddling in the market drives the cost of commodities that hits consumers square in the pocket book. Think corn flakes.

Conservative estimates state that it takes 1.6 gallons refined diesel fuel to produce a gallon of ethanol; net net loser.

The feds should get out of the market place and leave the ban in place of lead as an additive to internal combustion fuel in place.

Oneway

[Sonicblu]

I have a problem with the science,

Claim 1. Average water temp has risen 1/4 a degree. By hotter atmosphere.

If you took all the power plants in the world and plugged them directly into the ocean in the form of heat it would take more than 30,000 years to get a 1/4 degree temp rise. There is no way mathematically you can heat the ocean with air, there isn't enough air in the atmosphere to do it. Especially because the air can only transmit heat to the water it touches.

Fill your tub will cold water and get out the hair dryer. Blow hot air on the water let me know how long it takes to get 1/4 degree hotter. To make it realistic use same hairdryer and swimming pool.

It is population control science.

[bozon]

If you took all the power plants in the world and plugged them directly into the ocean in the form of heat it would take more than 30,000 years to get a 1/4 degree temp rise. There is no way mathematically you can heat the ocean with air, there isn't enough air in the atmosphere to do it. Especially because the air can only transmit heat to the water it touches.

The power to heat the ocean does not come from the power plants, it comes from the sun. It takes only a small amount of energy from you to close the oven door and let electricity power to cook what is inside.

Fill your tub will cold water and get out the hair dryer. Blow hot air on the water let me know how long it takes to get 1/4 degree hotter. To make it realistic use same hairdryer and swimming pool.

The skin layer of water will raise 1/4 of a degree very fast. It is only a matter of what you measure and which numbers one chooses to quote. This is exactly the same crap as claiming there is global warming and showing an iceberg melting on TV. The public can relate to the image, but never grasp the full picture.

Having said that, man made global warming is a scam.

[CAP1]

I have a problem with the science,

Claim 1. Average water temp has risen 1/4 a degree. By hotter atmosphere.

If you took all the power plants in the world and plugged them directly into the ocean in the form of heat it would take more than 30,000 years to get a 1/4 degree temp rise. There is no way mathematically you can heat the ocean with air, there isn't enough air in the atmosphere to do it. Especially because the air can only transmit heat to the water it touches.

Fill your tub will cold water and get out the hair dryer. Blow hot air on the water let me know how long it takes to get 1/4 degree hotter. To make it realistic use same hairdryer and swimming pool.

It is population control science.

bolded....the atmosphere does not heat the oceans.

[dedalos]

 it is not carbon dioxide(which greenery and plankton need to live on and provide us with oxygen).

Just FYI, trees cannot use carbon dioxide above tree level  

[CAP1]

Just FYI, trees cannot use carbon dioxide above tree level  

i know. it's a heavy gas though........