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Offline LLogann

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Re: White Flag
« Reply #30 on: January 12, 2011, 02:44:43 PM »
You didn't read any of what Lusche just said?  I'll take his word for what the Wehrmacht did during the war.

And you don't have to be a WWII Historian to know it really happened; happened in every war in any time period. 
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Re: White Flag
« Reply #31 on: January 12, 2011, 04:22:20 PM »
Llogan, I am sorry your mom paid more attention to your baby sister than you.  I hope you get the attention you crave with your posts here.

Not only did I read everything Lusche wrote, I commented on it.  I can even cite examples.  I can even comment in German!
Lusche: War das nicht der Fall mit dem Burgermeister von Aachen?

You can't back up your statement on how 'civilisations ' surrendered but their 'forces' kept fighting.  Don't pretend to be smart if you can't back it up.
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Re: White Flag
« Reply #32 on: January 12, 2011, 04:55:23 PM »
this is not ww2, its a game and we make the rules, subject to ah approval.

it's obscene to compare the white flag in our town, to what happened in ww2.

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Re: White Flag
« Reply #33 on: January 12, 2011, 04:59:57 PM »
The flag is fine, the game is fine, play it.
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Re: White Flag
« Reply #34 on: January 12, 2011, 06:37:45 PM »
guncrasher:

I believe we are all aware that this is not WW2.  Was that in question?

I don't see anyone comparing this to WW2 in any way that is disrespectful.
 
Posters in general:
How about actually discussing the point?  You know, contribute to the discussion.  if you don't like the idea, state why.
Comments like "The flag is fine" bring nothing to the table when others have already posted issues they are having.  You know, discussing like adults?  Pros vs. cons?  Upside v. downside?

What a dissapointing baptism to this place. :salute
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Re: White Flag
« Reply #35 on: January 12, 2011, 06:57:19 PM »
Seriously, most of you wouldn't have a clue what  a good idea is if it had a neon sign "HTC approved, so shut up and enjoy it".

Then again most of the posts I see are just flames, about how someone else has limited reasoning abilities (like this one... flame on!!).

+ 100  :aok If I am sitting at the maproom with troops and nothing firing at me and a "Surrender" flag, my troops should take the maproom.
Valid points:

1)  Ground vehicles are unable to see ground ack, without a GREAT deal of driving to specific locations.  Do you have a map of them, anyone?

2)  A flag is needed to tell if enough buildings are down, even if it were 100%, due to the fact that some buildings are hidden.

3)  Town ack pops with a timer, so in reality, you can take them all down (everything that is firing), drive to the maproom, and still not know there is ack up to stop the capture, because someone prematurely killed an ack. 

4)  If ack is not in line of sight of the troops at the maproom, then it should not be able to injure any troops or prevent a capture.  So, the way that capture conditions are currently, the white flag is misleading (period).



Number 4 is the real culprit here. Instead of arguing over the flag, perhaps we should lobby to have that changed.

lutz, I kind of thought we were having a discussion here.

Some agreed and some disagreed. We discussed everything from coding to historical relevance. I'm sure that nobody meant to insult you or your above average intelligence.

Your thin skin on the other hand..........
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Re: White Flag
« Reply #36 on: January 12, 2011, 09:01:32 PM »
I vote HTC changes the white flag to a rainbow flag to denote how ghey this whine is........  :D :rofl :banana:
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Re: White Flag
« Reply #37 on: January 12, 2011, 09:10:31 PM »
My thin skin cannot compare to your imagination.  Where do I say anything about being insulted?

You can't seem to post without dropping a snide remark.  Is that helpful?  You did it to every one of comments, including the initial thread.

There was a discussion.  Some people contributed.  Some people came and made stupid statements trying to pick a fight or to boost their inferiority complexes:

Civil Defense Forces may still have active anti-air units deployed in a town, but in no way does that constitute a NO SURRENDER clause to the active political powers..... ie. The Mayor.  Throughout history civilizations have surrender while their forces were still fighting.  


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If your SA is that bad, don't be a land grabber.  

If you mean discrepancy, it isn't........  See Above.  

I vote HTC changes the white flag to a rainbow flag to denote how ghey this whine is........  :D :rofl :banana:
this is not ww2, its a game and we make the rules, subject to ah approval.

it's obscene to compare the white flag in our town, to what happened in ww2.

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disappointing indeed
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Re: White Flag
« Reply #38 on: January 12, 2011, 09:18:08 PM »
If you'd like, they can just take the flag away so you can 'guess' when it is ready for capture.

I don't know, I don't understand the complaint. You'll know if the ack is down by flying near town.

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Re: White Flag
« Reply #39 on: January 12, 2011, 09:26:39 PM »
And you don't have to be a WWII Historian to know it really happened...

No, but you have to be a WWII Historian to know if what really happened, really happened.
Just sayin.
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Re: White Flag
« Reply #40 on: January 12, 2011, 10:56:08 PM »
If you'd like, they can just take the flag away so you can 'guess' when it is ready for capture.

I don't know, I don't understand the complaint. You'll know if the ack is down by flying near town.



And you can also find out if a stove is on by feeling it, but that isn't a very efficient way of finding out.

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Re: White Flag
« Reply #41 on: January 12, 2011, 11:26:12 PM »
And you can also find out if a stove is on by feeling it, but that isn't a very efficient way of finding out.

But you can also hold your hand above the stove, not touching it, to get the same results.  You just need to get in range of the range.   :D

Posters in general:
How about actually discussing the point?  You know, contribute to the discussion.  if you don't like the idea, state why.
Comments like "The flag is fine" bring nothing to the table when others have already posted issues they are having.  You know, discussing like adults?  Pros vs. cons?  Upside v. downside?

What a dissapointing baptism to this place. :salute

"The Flag is fine"  =  "There is no problem". 

Isn't that discussion or does he have to spell it out in more detail?

I imagine the "fix" would be to add the AAA to the Flag criteria.

Otherwise, do you strafe the map room before releasing troops?  Should that be added to the flag criteria as well?

Things are pretty dumbed down now as it is.  Is it really that hard to check the ack first or is that too much effort?


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Re: White Flag
« Reply #42 on: January 13, 2011, 12:36:30 AM »
lutzmax this is my contribution to the thread.

actually it would be a cool thing to have for when you are in a gv.  I have let troops go right next to map room while in m3 and they all died. kept wondering why, till somebody flew over the town and I saw the ack shooting.  but its one of those things that unless you have 2 flags, one for ack and one for building, would be pretty confusing.  because you wont know if its buildings that need to be down or the ack.

semp

as for your ridiculous comparison between our game and what happened in ww2 combat.  well, its just silly. here's your contribution

Towns don't usually raise white flags because towns do not usually surrender.  The military occupiers do the surrendering.  Mayors who would try to raise a white flag when the local Commander is against it would be imprisoned or shot.  I know of examples where some mayor tried to but was killed by the military.  Any military commander who fought under a flag of truce would be a war criminal.
Anyone of authority in a town would be subject to recriminations (such as summary execution) if a white flag were raised and hostilities did not cease.
Yes, there were diehards who, as individuals, refused to surrender.  Is that the standard we are using here?
Perhaps having the town's flag at half-mast to indicate the destruction % has been reached?

The gv arguments are pretty compelling.

Llogan, which 'civilisation' surrendered but continued to fight?  

then look at your comments here:

My thin skin cannot compare to your imagination.  Where do I say anything about being insulted?

You can't seem to post without dropping a snide remark.  Is that helpful? You did it to every one of comments, including the initial thread.

There was a discussion.  Some people contributed.  Some people came and made stupid statements trying to pick a fight or to boost their inferiority complexes:

disappointing indeed

now comparare that to this other remarks you made

Llogan, I am sorry your mom paid more attention to your baby sister than you.  I hope you get the attention you crave with your posts here.



oh man, you came here and insulted a lot of people then ask for a civilized dialogue.  :rofl.  almost everybody was agreeing with you at the begining once they actually understood what you were asking.  but once you started your ww2 analogy then it made your case weak.  lesson learned from this, wait a month or two then post again, and perhaps try not to insult the people that support your thread.

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Re: White Flag
« Reply #43 on: January 13, 2011, 12:37:53 PM »
Just another day on the BBS......    :D  



oh man, you came here and insulted a lot of people then ask for a civilized dialogue.  :rofl.  almost everybody was agreeing with you at the begining once they actually understood what you were asking.  but once you started your ww2 analogy then it made your case weak.  lesson learned from this, wait a month or two then post again, and perhaps try not to insult the people that support your thread.

semp



(and is it just me or did he mean to say thick skinned?)

My thin skin cannot compare to your imagination. 

And is it just me, or shouldn't my father have paid attention to the babysitter, not my Mom?   :headscratch:
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Re: White Flag
« Reply #44 on: January 14, 2011, 12:40:01 AM »
These wishes always seem to end in BLOOD! We all seem to agree that the white flag is a "gamey" addition. I personally prefer it because a lot of headache existed without it. So now we debate the conditions upon which the flag is made white. If we're gonna have this flag feature, I would assume it should never be misleading. So, it turns white when the town is ready for troops. I still give this wish a thumbs up, despite the pointless (and pretty childish(and off-topic)) banter back and forth.
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