US and Soviet Union in World War II (was: From Appomatox

[cattb]

There is something else that helped Britain that the Germans did not think was a meaningful target. The radar installations. If there was never any early warning for the Brits then what?

[JOACH1M]

Jockym have you done your chores

im home im sick with the flu so my brother did them

[Penguin]

THAT'S BS, Britain was starting to fight back with force and just so happens we joined around that time, RAF did NOT have more pilots maybe not as good as Luftwaffe pilots, THE RAF had somethin to fight for (there home) they defended with all odds against them and won

It wasn't so much pilot skill and quality, it was pilot availibility and quantity.  When Hitler ordered the end of bombing airfields, the RAF gained a huge advantage, among other advantages, such as:

Only having to fight 30 minutes at a time, and then being able to refuel
Playing on their own turf, giving them an instant advantage while low and slow
Having ack-ack to fall back upon if wounded

Imagine trying to horde a base, while another horde defends it, if you don't keep the FH down, you will lose every time.

-Penguin

[Ripsnort]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GlwR5Uu_6h4

[MORAY37]

if it wasent for the U.S/british bombing raids destroying germany's industry, the german forces on the eastern front would of been better supplyed,better equiped and would of been able to stem the tide of russian dogs.

Wrong.  German Factories were not even placed on proper "war footing" until late 1943.  The ineptitude of the country's leadership doomed the war effort.  Even at its height, the bombing did little to slow German war production, which steadily rose throughout the entire war, until the country began to collapse at the very end.  It is an absolute fallacy to give credit to the bombers for "destroying" german industry.

The powers that were in Germany never placed its' civilians and its' industrial complex into a position to win WW2, thankfully. Through 1942 they were telling the populace and the factories to go about normal business...factories producing war material were still on single shift production in 1943....

[Penguin]

So the allies were on double shift production?   

-Penguin

[zack1234]

All i have heard in these threads is how the German armed forces were vastly superior in every field of battle, and the excuses for allied victory is not skill or fighting effectiveness but numbers and economic superiority.

The Axis power lost the war because they were not good enough in all aspects of fighting a extended war.

The Axis powers prepared for war the Allies did not, both US and UK land forces were relativly small before the outbreak of war, after they steadly increased until they were superior.

Blitzkreig was German prowess? No it was Economic weakness, they could not fight a long term war.
(They even marked on maps where the gas stations were to fill up their tanks while in France, they also left receipts for payment)

Why did the English and French capitulate under Bliztkreig?, because they were not good enough!
Once the Allies were on a proper war footing it was a different story and the roles were reversed, and then the Axis were i say again lacking.

These Myths are not only shameful but disrespectful to all those who fought in the war.

[Penguin]

Hence the term "Awakening the Giant", similar to getting on Skuzzy's nerves.  It works for a while, but then suddenly your life is a living nightmare.

-Penguin

[Tyrannis]

All i have heard in these threads is how the German armed forces were vastly superior in every field of battle, and the excuses for allied victory is not skill or fighting effectiveness but numbers and economic superiority.

The Axis power lost the war because they were not good enough in all aspects of fighting a extended war.

The Axis powers prepared for war the Allies did not, both US and UK land forces were relativly small before the outbreak of war, after they steadly increased until they were superior.

Blitzkreig was German prowess? No it was Economic weakness, they could not fight a long term war.
(They even marked on maps where the gas stations were to fill up their tanks while in France, they also left receipts for payment)

Why did the English and French capitulate under Bliztkreig?, because they were not good enough!
Once the Allies were on a proper war footing it was a different story and the roles were reversed, and then the Axis were i say again lacking.

These Myths are not only shameful but disrespectful to all those who fought in the war.

no offence to you or anything. but i disagree with you saying the french werent good enough.

the french MILITARY wasent. but the french resistance was. i'll gladly  them. they fought on D-day and general Eisenhower stated the resistance was worth atleast 3 allied divisions. other than that i agree with you.

[Penguin]

Oh absolutely, those psychotic Parisian drivers must have accounted for at least 99% of all German High Command Casualities during the war.  There was even a special unit formulated to combat them called der Roteleichtepolizei, or Traffic Nazis.  Not to be confused with our resident spelling and grammar nazis.

 

-Penguin

(But really, the French did quite a bit to be a thorn in the side of the German D-Day war effort)

[zack1234]

The British and French were not upto the job of defending against the Blitzkreig method of warfare in 1940, France    and Britain lost The Battle of France because the Germans were superior at this particular time in warfare.

Blitzkreig was tried again the The Ardennes campaign later in the war, but failed because the Allies land armies and Air forces were now superior than the Axis powers.

Allies US,GB Canada, Australia etc
Axis Germany,Italy,Hungary,Rumania and Vichy France etc

We won we won we won 

Ha ha ha! what happened there?
We lost the British Empire and i have just bought brand new Ford with cash

[Kermit de frog]

The British and French were not upto the job of defending against the Blitzkreig method of warfare in 1940, France    and Britain lost The Battle of France because the Germans were superior at this particular time in warfare.

Blitzkreig was tried again the The Ardennes campaign later in the war, but failed because the Allies land armies and Air forces were now superior than the Axis powers.

Allies US,GB Canada, Australia etc
Axis Germany,Italy,Hungary,Rumania and Vichy France etc

We won we won we won  

Ha ha ha! what happened there?
We lost the British Empire and i have just bought brand new Ford with cash

 

Zach, do you suffer from delusions often?

Here are some facts:

RAF<Luftwaffe since 1939

When Winnie mentioned "the few", he was referring to the small group of American pilots in the RAF.

[Tyrannis]

 

Zach, do you suffer from delusions often?

Here are some facts:

RAF<Luftwaffe since 1939

When Winnie mentioned "the few", he was referring to the small group of American pilots in the RAF.

im not 100% sure but i think winston churchill called the RAF pilots "the few" due to the fact that they had such a small amount of pilots to defend against the luftwaffe.

but in a way you can think of the u.s pilots as "the few" aswell.  to the eagle squadron.

[zack1234]

 

Zach, do you suffer from delusions often?

Here are some facts:

RAF<Luftwaffe since 1939

When Winnie mentioned "the few", he was referring to the small group of American pilots in the RAF.

No he wasn't he stated the RAF out numbered the German air force in pilots and machines! next!

[Tyrannis]

No he wasn't he stated the RAF out numbered the German air force in pilots and machines! next!

wrong. the RAF was smaller than the luftwaffe. thats the whole reason they called the famous name "The FEW". because there was so "few" of them to stand up against the mighty luftwaffe.(this is all during the battle of britain of coursE)