Kill to Killed ratio

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sorry wiley a kill is a kill is a kill..WRONG..YOU were actually starring in a film I was taking some gun cam footage out of lastnight....lol...quite funny watching you come back and engage me after I sent you to the tower in your spit 8,while I was fighing  a line of red and no green,I was flying under MORTIS...remember?ether way it was quite funny that we have been disgussing this here and then low and behold who do I see in a film "you shot down Wiley"the second "kill"I got on you I dont consider a "kill"you augerd trying to kill me,so no a victory is not always a kill,I died that sortie,like I do most sorties,but every sortie wether I die or not is a victory,for I will never run I fight it out no matter what,I dont consider myself great by anymeans,but I know because of how I have always flown,I will give anyone in here a run for there money,I fought "Steve" one time for over 15 minutes him in a 51 me in a hurri,he couldnt kill me I couldnt kill him,it was an amazing fight. The fight is where its at.

[waystin2]

sorry wiley a kill is a kill is a kill..WRONG..YOU were actually starring in a film I was taking some gun cam footage out of lastnight....lol...quite funny watching you come back and engage me after I sent you to the tower in your spit 8,while I was fighing  a line of red and no green,I was flying under MORTIS...remember?ether way it was quite funny that we have been disgussing this here and then low and behold who do I see in a film "you shot down Wiley"the second "kill"I got on you I dont consider a "kill"you augerd trying to kill me,so no a victory is not always a kill,I died that sortie,like I do most sorties,but every sortie wether I die or not is a victory,for I will never run I fight it out no matter what,I dont consider myself great by anymeans,but I know because of how I have always flown,I will give anyone in here a run for there money,I fought "Steve" one time for over 15 minutes him in a 51 me in a hurri,he couldnt kill me I couldnt kill him,it was an amazing fight. The fight is where its at.

Hey Ink,

I get where you are coming from and somewhat agree.  If the fight is where is at, why up a bird with bullets or cannons?  Because we want to get a kill.  A fight without kills is like having sex without an orgasm.  It is more than just the ACM involved prior to the kill.

 

Way

[Pand]

This is the kind of whine I dislike the most.  Just people complaining about not being able to kill a certain type of plane.  They are not running because they lost the advantage.  They are simply not giving the advantage to you.  If you want to shoot down fast planes fly a fast plane.  Don't cry because you cant run them down in you zero, hurricane or what ever plane you fly that is too slow to catch them.  Fast planes that don't turn have tactical ACM's that are advantagious to them and turn fighters have theirs.  Fly the plane in a way that will allow you to be victorious.  But don't cry when your not.

Well said ToeTag! <S>

[Yeager]

I fought "Steve" one time for over 15 minutes him in a 51 me in a hurri,he couldnt kill me I couldnt kill him,it was an amazing fight. The fight is where its at.

Dude, he was AFK 

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Wiley~ the kill or death at the end of the fight is less then the fight itself, we use guns because well we are fighting with planes that have guns:-)  I see that you have a mind and are willing to listen, thats a good thing. Once im back, we will go again, maybe go to DA have some good fights.you'll find me surrounded by red in the Mains  :-)

[Anaxogoras]

The main arena has so little in common with actual WW2 air combat that you can place a high value on whatever you like.  That could be great fights, vulching, or always landing wheels up.  Really, there is no fact of the matter here about what is most important.

But in "real life" the name of the game is killing the other guy without getting killed yourself.  As MVR said, anything else is rubbish.

[CptTrips]

The main arena has so little in common with actual WW2 air combat that you can place a high value on whatever you like.  That could be great fights, vulching, or always landing wheels up.  Really, there is no fact of the matter here about what is most important.

But in "real life" the name of the game is killing the other guy without getting killed yourself.  As MVR said, anything else is rubbish.

+1

[Yeager]

The main arena has so little in common with actual WW2 air combat that you can place a high value on whatever you like.  That could be great fights, vulching, or always landing wheels up.  Really, there is no fact of the matter here about what is most important.

But in "real life" the name of the game is killing the other guy without getting killed yourself.  As MVR said, anything else is rubbish.

+10

I dont slag off on furballers, basetakers, DA'ers.  I dont slagg off on anyone for how they play the game.  To each his own I say, respectfully.  Would be nice to get some of that respect in return from a few here. 

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Yeager~that was awesome....;-) I actually laughed out loud....Anox~true the goal in the main arena is to kill the red guy...absolutly true.....but if you think vulching them on the runway is the same, as fighting them on somewhat fair or equal termes, well I just cant wrap my mind around that thought

[Wiley]

sorry wiley a kill is a kill is a kill..WRONG..YOU were actually starring in a film I was taking some gun cam footage out of lastnight....lol...quite funny watching you come back and engage me after I sent you to the tower in your spit 8,while I was fighing  a line of red and no green,I was flying under MORTIS...remember?ether way it was quite funny that we have been disgussing this here and then low and behold who do I see in a film "you shot down Wiley"the second "kill"I got on you I dont consider a "kill"you augerd trying to kill me,so no a victory is not always a kill,I died that sortie,like I do most sorties,but every sortie wether I die or not is a victory,for I will never run I fight it out no matter what,I dont consider myself great by anymeans,but I know because of how I have always flown,I will give anyone in here a run for there money,I fought "Steve" one time for over 15 minutes him in a 51 me in a hurri,he couldnt kill me I couldnt kill him,it was an amazing fight. The fight is where its at.

MORTIS is the only handle I've seen you fly under.  A spit 8...  Can't even remember the last time I was in one of those, it might've been that sortie.  If I was in a spit, it was probably because one of my squaddies/countrymen had mentioned a twisty plane giving them fits on the deck.

Wiley~ the kill or death at the end of the fight is less then the fight itself, we use guns because well we are fighting with planes that have guns:-)  I see that you have a mind and are willing to listen, thats a good thing. Once im back, we will go again, maybe go to DA have some good fights.you'll find me surrounded by red in the Mains  :-)

Heh, you'll hand it to me, but I'm game.  My dueling skills are beyond rusty, and at best I'm just another dweeb.

At all times though, I fly in the MA as though it's 'side vs side', meaning, I look at the other side not as a series of singletons to be dueled, but rather a mass to be dealt with with whatever means I have available.  Depending on numbers when I log in, sometimes I am one of the zerglings in a green horde, sometimes I'm one of the guys getting horded by a red cloud.  I rarely reup to head back with a green horde unless I'm interested in the base take that's occurring or I'm flying with my squad and that's what they're doing.  If there's no significant opposition, I'm bored.  My point is, I'm trying to work with the other friendly planes in the area to kill the enemy as efficiently as possible, not get as many kills for myself as I can necessarily.

I guess here's how I look at the MA.  To me, here's how I'd rank sorties from 'most successful' to 'least successful'.

Up, find an enemy crowd, kill them all, RTB safely.
Up, find an enemy crowd, kill some of them, RTB safely due to fuel/damage/ammo.
Up, find a few strung out singletons/doubles, kill them all, RTB safely.
Up, find a few strung out singletons/doubles, kill some of them, RTB safely due to fuel/damage/ammo.
Up, find a singleton, kill him, RTB due to lack of targets/damage/fuel/ammo.
Up, find an enemy crowd, get a few kills, get killed.
Up, find a few strung out singletons/doubles, get a few kills, get killed.
Up, find a singleton, engage, get killed by him.
Crash on takeoff/get bounced and killed by a singleton I don't even see.

Any of those scenarios are made harder or easier depending on the ratio of friend to foe in the area, obviously.

Where I get my jollies is trying to survive after getting some kills in a crowd.  Getting in, killing some of them, and getting out to me is a lot harder than getting in and killing a few of them, and being overcommitted to the point they get you.

I realize it takes skill to survive for a while against multiples like some of you guys do.  I never said it didn't.  I just think that flying in a manner that's going to result in certain death is only slightly less pointless than running around HOing everything in sight.  I get that it's fun, I'm not arguing that it's not.  I'm just saying to me, it's meaningless if you're not trying to get home.

Personally, I also think maintaining a 25:1 kill ratio is boring as HELL, but I don't think it's as easy as some of you guys make it out to be, depending on the conditions it's done under.

Wiley.

[DrBone1]

MORTIS is the only handle I've seen you fly under.  A spit 8...  Can't even remember the last time I was in one of those, it might've been that sortie.  If I was in a spit, it was probably because one of my squaddies/countrymen had mentioned a twisty plane giving them fits on the deck.

Heh, you'll hand it to me, but I'm game.  My dueling skills are beyond rusty, and at best I'm just another dweeb.

At all times though, I fly in the MA as though it's 'side vs side', meaning, I look at the other side not as a series of singletons to be dueled, but rather a mass to be dealt with with whatever means I have available.  Depending on numbers when I log in, sometimes I am one of the zerglings in a green horde, sometimes I'm one of the guys getting horded by a red cloud.  I rarely reup to head back with a green horde unless I'm interested in the base take that's occurring or I'm flying with my squad and that's what they're doing.  If there's no significant opposition, I'm bored.  My point is, I'm trying to work with the other friendly planes in the area to kill the enemy as efficiently as possible, not get as many kills for myself as I can necessarily.

I guess here's how I look at the MA.  To me, here's how I'd rank sorties from 'most successful' to 'least successful'.

Up, find an enemy crowd, kill them all, RTB safely.
Up, find an enemy crowd, kill some of them, RTB safely due to fuel/damage/ammo.
Up, find a few strung out singletons/doubles, kill them all, RTB safely.
Up, find a few strung out singletons/doubles, kill some of them, RTB safely due to fuel/damage/ammo.
Up, find a singleton, kill him, RTB due to lack of targets/damage/fuel/ammo.
Up, find an enemy crowd, get a few kills, get killed.
Up, find a few strung out singletons/doubles, get a few kills, get killed.
Up, find a singleton, engage, get killed by him.
Crash on takeoff/get bounced and killed by a singleton I don't even see.

Any of those scenarios are made harder or easier depending on the ratio of friend to foe in the area, obviously.

Where I get my jollies is trying to survive after getting some kills in a crowd.  Getting in, killing some of them, and getting out to me is a lot harder than getting in and killing a few of them, and being overcommitted to the point they get you.

I realize it takes skill to survive for a while against multiples like some of you guys do.  I never said it didn't.  I just think that flying in a manner that's going to result in certain death is only slightly less pointless than running around HOing everything in sight.  I get that it's fun, I'm not arguing that it's not.  I'm just saying to me, it's meaningless if you're not trying to get home.

Personally, I also think maintaining a 25:1 kill ratio is boring as HELL, but I don't think it's as easy as some of you guys make it out to be, depending on the conditions it's done under.

Wiley.

I Agree with some of what you said actually most of it 

[Shuffler]

The fact that you killed the enemy/some of the enemy and got home would seem to indicate that they are dead, you are not.  I think that would qualify as a 'victory'.

Wiley.

But you said running from the enemy is your tactic. You have not killed him. He is behind you.

[ToeTag]

But you said running from the enemy is your tactic. You have not killed him. He is behind you.

That was not said.  What was said

This is the kind of whine I dislike the most.  Just people complaining about not being able to kill a certain type of plane.  They are not running because they lost the advantage.  They are simply not giving the advantage to you.  If you want to shoot down fast planes fly a fast plane.  Don't cry because you cant run them down in your zero, hurricane or what ever plane you fly that is too slow to catch them.  Fast planes that don't turn have tactical ACM's that are advantagious to them and turn fighters have theirs.  Fly the plane in a way that will allow you to be victorious.  But don't cry when your not.

[Shuffler]

I get it... so when you have little advantage or on equal terms run in your fast plane.

Not meaning to needle you. Just interested at what point you decide to run.

[ToeTag]

Jeeze...you dont get it... If I can walk away and regain a superior tactical advantage that is what I and anyone that is smart will do.  If your looking for planes to just lay down and allow you to shoot them go into the offline mode and shoot at the circle of non manuvering, slow and predictable planes.  You'll be happy there.