ar234 question

[icepac]

I guess I would be motivated if I had lost a Chog, F4U4, and a P51 to the ar234s guns.

[Chalenge]

Since it has been proven that none of the 234s actually saw combat with the rear guns mounted it is a feature that is pure fantasy. Its the exact same thing as taking any 'planned' luftwaffe weapon and adding it whether it was ever constructed or not.

[FLS]

Since it has been proven that none of the 234s actually saw combat with the rear guns mounted it is a feature that is pure fantasy...

Could you quote that proof for me, I can't seem to find it.

Thanks in advance.

[Denniss]

Could you prove a production Ar 234 flew with these guns? We only have some vague claims with some self-made graphics in a book but multiple other books denying this, even KG 76 books (unit flying Ar 234 in operational missions) state none ever flew with these guns.

[FLS]

Could you prove a production Ar 234 flew with these guns? We only have some vague claims with some self-made graphics in a book but multiple other books denying this, even KG 76 books (unit flying Ar 234 in operational missions) state none ever flew with these guns.

I'm not claiming they had guns. I'm pointing out that nobody has proved that none of them had guns.

You should read up on Eric Brown.  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eric_Brown_(pilot)

His vague claims are good enough for me. So far we've only seen that most Arados did not have the guns mounted.

[lyric1]

Could you prove a production Ar 234 flew with these guns? We only have some vague claims with some self-made graphics in a book but multiple other books denying this, even KG 76 books (unit flying Ar 234 in operational missions) state none ever flew with these guns.

Denniss what are the KG 76 books please?

[Denniss]

Books devoted to the unit history of KG 76. There should be at least one not very old but can't find name/ISBN at the moment.

[MiloMorai]

I'm not claiming they had guns. I'm pointing out that nobody has proved that none of them had guns.

You should read up on Eric Brown.  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eric_Brown_(pilot)

His vague claims are good enough for me. So far we've only seen that most Arados did not have the guns mounted.

Are vague claims of UFOs and little green men good enough for you?

[FLS]

Are vague claims of UFOs and little green men good enough for you?

Is it Neil Armstrong making the claims?

[curry1]

I think it should be proven that they do exist.  It is impossible to prove 100% that they didn't exist.  Even so a single shred of verifiable evidence showing they flew with guns in combat would be good for inclusion.  It looks as if there is no shred.  I think the guns should be removed.  I believe that the evidence presented gives an answer so close to 100% they they never flew them in combat as for it to be silly to have them in game.

MFW people argue for them to be included.



Laughable.

$.02

[FLS]

I think it should be proven that they do exist.  It is impossible to prove 100% that they didn't exist.  Even so a single shred of verifiable evidence showing they flew with guns in combat would be good for inclusion.  It looks as if there is no shred.  I think the guns should be removed.  I believe that the evidence presented gives an answer so close to 100% they they never flew them in combat as for it to be silly to have them in game.

MFW people argue for them to be included.

Laughable.

$.02

There are a several published sources stating some had guns, Lyric linked to many of them, but you are certainly entitled to your opinion for what it's worth.

[Butcher]

I haven't seen any sourced info they flew with guns, fitted maybe but nothing proves they flew with rear guns.

[FLS]

I got a response from a reference services archivist at NASM today. She states that their Arado never had guns, which is not in dispute, and then she quotes Smith and Creek's book that Lyric has already quoted. I assume we'll continue to agreeably disagree. 

[lyric1]

I got a response from a reference services archivist at NASM today. She states that their Arado never had guns, which is not in dispute, and then she quotes Smith and Creek's book that Lyric has already quoted. I assume we'll continue to agreeably disagree. 

Your letter only differs to mine then on one point. They said on mine that the AR 234 V21 was the only AR 234 a prototype to have rear guns. 
That of course was a C model.

If nothing else they are consistant with regards to rear guns.

Moving on I have a Japanese magazine on the AR 234 & of course I have no idea what any of it says. I do like this magazine though as they always seem to have something in it that no other publisher seems to have.

They have the drawings below on the forward facing gun pod for the night fighter version. It has some details on the fairings that surround the gun pod & the drawings give a better idea of the size & shape specifics that I have not seen before.
So if they do decide to turn the guns to the correct direction on the AR 234B for AHII maybe they can use the drawings below.
 

[Babalonian]

Its forward gun pod could tilt its guns at a slightly downward angle?