Stall limiter...do you fly with it on or off

[CAP1]

Little do you guys know that you have given information to Colmbo that will certainly lead to your virtual deaths many times over.

better fihghts then. 

[Rob52240]

Keep the stall limiter (found in options) OFF and the stall eliminator (speed) up.

True we're helping him kill us but where would any of us be if nobody helped us learn the game?

[Torcher]

Manual trim up has saved me on more than a few P-38 compressions  

[CAP1]

Keep the stall limiter (found in options) OFF and the stall eliminator (speed) up.

True we're helping him kill us but where would any of us be if nobody helped us learn the game?

Here we go again.....speed has nothing to do with a stall.

[CAP1]

Manual trim up has saved me on more than a few P-38 compressions  

 throttle control is super important. also, slip when you're diving.....keep speed below compression.

[Ack-Ack]

Manual trim up has saved me on more than a few P-38 compressions  

If you get into a compressability state in a P-38, you messed up. 

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[Torcher]

If you get into a compressability state in a P-38, you messed up. 

ack-ack

Most definitely. I don't "go in" intending to compress. Usually:

A) I haven't flown the 38 in a while and halfway down I have the ole  "Oh, scheisse!" moment.
2) Blood alcohol level is elevated - see A) response above.
c) "Oh look, a flight of AR234's just took off!" and I greedily dive in resulting in similar to A)

[dev41]

I really enjoyed this thread and learned alot. May not be the whole reason I die alot, in fact there are probably dozens, but I have decided to try flying without and see if over time I am able to compete better in those one on ones.

I usually fly the 190 and 109 models. Does anyone have any comments on how taking the stall limiter off may effect these planes. I tried it off for a day or two when I was flying the 190 a lot and found that the stalls (particularly in the A8) were particularly vicious.

[DOUG]

Sounds like I have to take the training wheels ,that I didn't even know I had, off now. but I can tell you that relearning, and the failures sure to come with it are going to make me a ripe target for a while.  

Good decision, cause , no offence, but no matter HOW good anyone gets with stall limiter ON, they ARE a RIPE target! =) Its real easy to tell when someone has it on, like its there 1st lesson in a cessna and the instructor is tellin them to ease back on the yolk, EASE back.....
  elfy
  re: combat trim...someone posted aboot having CT off during the fight (fine) and never having to trim during the fight and never havin any problems. Thats fine if the entire fight takes place in the weeds/ low speed, cause trim needs are Not changing. BUT if you engage at 12k at high speed and the fight works its way all the way down to the trees , hangin on the props and you have Never trimmed during all this, and CT is OFF, YOU are WAY outta trim and will die to someone payin attention=)

[Shuffler]

OFF

[colmbo]

I usually fly the 190 and 109 models. Does anyone have any comments on how taking the stall limiter off may effect these planes. I tried it off for a day or two when I was flying the 190 a lot and found that the stalls (particularly in the A8) were particularly vicious.

But what you can't visualize as easily is that your were also getting more performance out of the aircraft.  Leave it off -- it will steepen the learning curve for a short while but is well worth it.  And remember, all of us R/L pilots never had a "stall limiter" and most of us lived through the learning. <G>

[colmbo]

Here we go again.....speed has nothing to do with a stall.

Well, if you could keep the speed high enough you can prevent a stall since the wing will fail before reaching the stall AOA.

You can't say airspeed has nothing to do with stalling since airspeed is vital to create lift in a fix winged aircraft -- everything is tied together -- similar to the pitch for speed/power for altitude thing.  It is vitally important that folks realize you can stall at nearly any airspeed and that AOA is the most important factor.

[dev41]

But what you can't visualize as easily is that your were also getting more performance out of the aircraft.  Leave it off -- it will steepen the learning curve for a short while but is well worth it.  And remember, all of us R/L pilots never had a "stall limiter" and most of us lived through the learning. <G>

Well, how about that - I just went to remove my stall limiter and found that I already had it off So I have probably been flying these last six months or so without it and never new the good news is that I know how to fly without it (apparently), the bad news is that now I don't have an excuse for my crappy flying. Oh well, I still had the combat trim on, so I took that off and I will see how that goes.

[CAP1]

Well, if you could keep the speed high enough you can prevent a stall since the wing will fail before reaching the stall AOA.

You can't say airspeed has nothing to do with stalling since airspeed is vital to create lift in a fix winged aircraft -- everything is tied together -- similar to the pitch for speed/power for altitude thing.  It is vitally important that folks realize you can stall at nearly any airspeed and that AOA is the most important factor.

you should stall test our aircraft. the ones i've flown, can and will stall even at cruise speed.

[Ack-Ack]

BUT if you engage at 12k at high speed and the fight works its way all the way down to the trees , hangin on the props and you have Never trimmed during all this, and CT is OFF, YOU are WAY outta trim and will die to someone payin attention=)

Nope.  I only use manual trim and trim the elelvators slightly below neutral at 300mph IAS and I leave it there, never touching it after I set it.  While at slower speeds I might be slightly out of trim, it does not effect my flying at all nor does it put someone flying with CT on at slow speeds in a turn fight with me at any advantage over me.

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