Stall limiter...do you fly with it on or off

[mausil]

AckAck do you do that for any plane you fly?

[Ack-Ack]

AckAck do you do that for any plane you fly?

Yes, with the sole exception being the B-25H as I keep that trimmed rather nose heavy.

ack-ack

[Oldman731]

AOA is the most important factor.

I believe this was his point.

- oldman

[DOUG]

Nope.  I only use manual trim and trim the elelvators slightly below neutral at 300mph IAS and I leave it there, never touching it after I set it.  While at slower speeds I might be slightly out of trim, it does not effect my flying at all nor does it put someone flying with CT on at slow speeds in a turn fight with me at any advantage over me.

ack-ack

Simply fly at 15k at 400mph level, CT ON and note where the trim marks are.Now fly at 75mph at 20ft level, CT ON and note where the trim marks are. They are NOT in the same place. The trim has CHANGED FOR YOU. The CT  decides where proper trim is and CT has decided that correct trim is very different at these two extremes. The difference between the two,if not dealt with, is the amount you will be OUT of TRIM if you change nothing. Of course, if you fly something with NO tourque, its much less likely to matter. If you do nothing but the same thing over and over and over,( BnZ from a perch) ,its much less likely to matter. To say that a severely out of trim plane(as determined by the computer) is at no disadvantage to a properly trimmed plane (as determined by the computer) is an entertaining statement . But again, you will ONLY notice if you fly a fighter with torque, from one edge of envelope to the other at the extremes.  Watch some films of fighters actually furballing to see what its like.
   So stick that Nope in yer B38              
                                                                                    elfy

[CAP1]

Simply fly at 15k at 400mph level, CT ON and note where the trim marks are.Now fly at 75mph at 20ft level, CT ON and note where the trim marks are. They are NOT in the same place. The trim has CHANGED FOR YOU. The CT  decides where proper trim is and CT has decided that correct trim is very different at these two extremes. The difference between the two,if not dealt with, is the amount you will be OUT of TRIM if you change nothing. Of course, if you fly something with NO tourque, its much less likely to matter. If you do nothing but the same thing over and over and over,( BnZ from a perch) ,its much less likely to matter. To say that a severely out of trim plane(as determined by the computer) is at no disadvantage to a properly trimmed plane (as determined by the computer) is an entertaining statement . But again, you will ONLY notice if you fly a fighter with torque, from one edge of envelope to the other at the extremes.  Watch some films of fighters actually furballing to see what its like.
   So stick that Nope in yer B38              
                                                                                    elfy

torque does not effect the AoA.

[MaSonZ]

after my break and reinstalling of game... i alsmot dried cause i forgot  about stall limiter...it was night and day, couldnt fly with the damn thing on, turned it off right after my first sortie.

[iwomba]

Always flew with it on & accepted the restrictions that come with such a decision.

It never detracted from having some great fights when in the most update neglected & underrated plane in the game the 205.

[DOUG]

torque does not effect the AoA.

Never once mentioned anything aboot AoA being effected since they have nothing to do with each other.
Sorry, but if theres a contributing point to your comment, I missed it=)
elfy

[CAP1]

READ the last statement of the post i quoted.

 

[DOUG]

READ the last statement of the post i quoted.

 

this?

Simply fly at 15k at 400mph level, CT ON and note where the trim marks are.Now fly at 75mph at 20ft level, CT ON and note where the trim marks are. They are NOT in the same place. The trim has CHANGED FOR YOU. The CT  decides where proper trim is and CT has decided that correct trim is very different at these two extremes. The difference between the two,if not dealt with, is the amount you will be OUT of TRIM if you change nothing. Of course, if you fly something with NO tourque, its much less likely to matter. If you do nothing but the same thing over and over and over,( BnZ from a perch) ,its much less likely to matter. To say that a severely out of trim plane(as determined by the computer) is at no disadvantage to a properly trimmed plane (as determined by the computer) is an entertaining statement . But again, you will ONLY notice if you fly a fighter with torque, from one edge of envelope to the other at the extremes.  Watch some films of fighters actually furballing to see what its like.
   So stick that Nope in yer B38              
                                                                                    elfy

or this?

Well, if you could keep the speed high enough you can prevent a stall since the wing will fail before reaching the stall AOA.

You can't say airspeed has nothing to do with stalling since airspeed is vital to create lift in a fix winged aircraft -- everything is tied together -- similar to the pitch for speed/power for altitude thing.  It is vitally important that folks realize you can stall at nearly any airspeed and that AOA is the most important factor.

either way, whats your point? I never mentioned anything aboot AoA OR stalling.Spit it out.                                      elfy

[icepac]

Two planes

One with combat trim and the other manually trimmed.

Level chase in same model planes.......

Will one have less drag than the other?

What about a climb chase?

Just wondering.

[Debrody]

Let me ask a possibly very stupid question.
   Someone mentioned above, that manual trim can increase the turning performance at very low speeds (with flaps). Im flying with a mouse so there are no stick feedback for me. I just noticed that the trim adjust the center position of the control surfaces (thats why we dont need to apply rudder all the time). But at slow speeds, the plane can reach the stall soon, and if i trim "up", it will stall the same (by sense) but i dont have to pull the mouse as much back. Yes, im able to pull the elevators way more up, but if i already reach the stall earlyer, it seems useless.
   So whats the point in trimming up at very low speeds?  Better snaprolls maybe?
 

[CAP1]

this?or this?either way, whats your point? I never mentioned anything aboot AoA OR stalling.Spit it out.                                      elfy

in one instance, you mentioned "keep your speed high enough to avoid the stall, when speed has nothing to do with a stall.
 in the other one, you mentioned "if you fly something with no torque" you'll be less likely to notice.


 the only time you're gonna notice "out of trim" is in straight and level(possibly diving too) flight. in combat, you won't notice it, nor will adjusting any of your trims give you an advantage in a dogfight.

 on the other hand, should you leave combat trim on, and get into a slow fight, you more than likely will find it to be working against you.