Stall limiter...do you fly with it on or off

[Razzor 479th]

Combat trim has a negative effect on flaps, which is why it's recommended on planes that are flap dependent not to use combat trim.

ack-ack

Ack-Ack, how so?  Trying to learn here.  I've always left mt CT on, but maybe I shouldn't.

[colmbo]

Combat trim has a negative effect on flaps, which is why it's recommended on planes that are flap dependent not to use combat trim.

ack-ack

What kind of negative effect?  I've noticed there is a pronounced pitch up with flap extension if CT is on.

[CAP1]

I have been flying in AH for a couple of years now and never realized I was flying with the stall limiter on until last night in the AvA arena.  I turned it off and I was snap rolling my 190 continuously.  My understanding is that the stall limiter reduces your maximum aileron control input.  The question is does the stall limiter only prevent stalls or does it also limit ability to turn by reducing control movement beyond the threshold of stalling out.  I want to know if it is worth relearning to fly with it off.  Thanks in advance for any comments/advice.

AoA. if it limits anything, it should limit elevator. i dunno how it works though....i've never had it on.

[CAP1]

Jeeeze, now I gotta fly against you once you master it W/O stall limiter?

My experience is that after a while you adjust and don't notice that it's not on.

As far as combat trim, I have it mapped so I can toggle it off and on.

ya don't really need to map combat trim......it will automatically turn off if you hit any trim function at all.

[MAX-107]

off 

[CAP1]

If you turn off the stall limiter do you then need to scale your ailerons, elevators and rudder?

depends on what's comfortble for you.

i used to have my stuff scaled......took a six month break from the game....came back, and was...to be honest......just too dam lazy to scale anything. i seem to do much better now.....'cept fighting guys like shuffler down in the weeds while hanging on the props.......then i kinda sorta fall outta the air while he laughs at me.  

[ImADot]

What kind of negative effect?  I've noticed there is a pronounced pitch up with flap extension if CT is on.

Exactly the problem.  With your flaps extended, you have greater lift.  Combat trim only (I believe) looks at speed.  So flaps give you more lift (but also increases drag which brings your speed down a bit), combat trim sees a drop in airspeed and trims your nose up (to take the back pressure off your stick) because it thinks it needs to keep your nose up to adjust for the lower speed, and the result is you balooning into a steep climb.  At very high or very low speeds, the CT has (or causes) trouble.

If you use flaps during landing, you should turn off CT and trim manually.  Otherwise, the chances of balooning up and stalling increases and you may very well pancake onto the runway.

[8313jbx]

off

[AceHavok]

Off, Used to fly with it on. But this is what happened each time I fought someone with it off 1v1: 

[MarineUS]

I fly with both on and have little problem getting the desired results when I'm having a good day.

I'm a crappy pilot and I'm not saying that for laughs. I don't want to take the time to learn all the little crap about every plane in the game and that's fine. I pay the price for it by not having an uber super duper awesome KDR to show my mommy.... -_- (But this just makes it better when I shoot someone down in game).

BUT, I see little change when off and on. Off I just tend to stall out and eat with the squirrels more often.

The only way someone in game gets shot down by me is:
1) I'm in a buff (don't even think about touching my plane).

2) THEY'RE in a buff (And I've decided to be patient and not go dead six)

3) They screw up - bad.

With this being said I get enough kills to keep the game fun and give myself something to laugh at because being as poorly skilled in this as I am, it feels good to go in and send planes spiraling to the ground.

[gusman]

I fly with Combat trim on. If I turn Combat trim off during a dogfight do I have to constantly trim my plane or can I just concentrate on the fight?

Thanks,
gus

[CAP1]

I fly with Combat trim on. If I turn Combat trim off during a dogfight do I have to constantly trim my plane or can I just concentrate on the fight?

Thanks,
gus

during a dogfight, i've never had to re-trim the plane.

[icepac]

Little do you guys know that you have given information to Colmbo that will certainly lead to your virtual deaths many times over.

[MarineUS]

just gives them a reason to get better.

[Wiley]

Anything that leads to a more capable opponent is ok in my world, particularly when it's something that involves fighting with your PC/setup instead of outflying your opponent.

Wiley.