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Re: Spit 8 vs Ki
« Reply #120 on: April 02, 2011, 08:43:58 PM »
kill/death ratio...does not show how one is "successful"   no stats do unless you know exactly how that person flies....
lets see got 111 kills in it died 65 times.....sounds "successful" to me.
    earlier today I got into a two vs one me in KI against a 109 and a 51...killed em both :aok
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Kills by INK in a
Ki-84-Ia by model type
Model Type    Kills    Percent
A-20G    2    1.802
A6M5b    4    3.604
B-17G    2    1.802
B-24J    5    4.505
B-25C    1    0.901
B-25H    1    0.901
Bf 109E-4    1    0.901
Bf 109F-4    1    0.901
Bf 109G-14    5    4.505
Bf 109G-6    1    0.901
Bf 109K-4    4    3.604
Bf 110G-2    3    2.703
F4U-1    1    0.901
F4U-1A    5    4.505
F4U-1C    1    0.901
F4U-1D    3    2.703
F6F-5    3    2.703
FM2            9    8.108
Fw 190A-5    3    2.703
Fw 190A-8    2    1.802
Fw 190D-9    2    1.802
Fw 190F-8    1    0.901
Hurri Mk IIC 1    0.901
Ki-61            1    0.901
Ki-84-Ia    3    2.703
La-5FN    1    0.901
La-7            4    3.604
Lanc III    2    1.802
Me 262    1    0.901
N1K2       3    2.703
P-38J    1    0.901
P-38L    1    0.901
P-47-D25    3    2.703
P-47-D40    2    1.802
P-47M    2    1.802
P-51D    8    7.207
SeaFire    4    3.604
Spit Mk IX    1    0.901
Spit Mk XIV    1    0.901
Spit Mk XVI    8    7.207
Ta 152H    1    0.901
Typhoon IB    2    1.802
Yak-9T    1    0.901
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Re: Spit 8 vs Ki
« Reply #121 on: April 02, 2011, 09:08:55 PM »
First, the reason that I mentioned him if because I know how he flies, not just the K/D.

Second, if the K/D does not represent how successful the person flies find me anyone who is unsuccessful with a K/D or 3 and above.
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Re: Spit 8 vs Ki
« Reply #122 on: April 02, 2011, 09:13:38 PM »
Quote from: MachFly on April 02, 2011, 09:08:55 PM
First, the reason that I mentioned him if because I know how he flies, not just the K/D.

Second, if the K/D does not represent how successful the person flies find me anyone who is unsuccessful with a K/D or 3 and above.

well their successful at something alright :aok

and I also know how Rud flies....most often surrounded by green guys :aok   yup he is a great shot and a great picker :aok
 
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Re: Spit 8 vs Ki
« Reply #123 on: April 02, 2011, 09:25:21 PM »
Yay me!  4.4:1 k/d in the Ki84 last tour.  I must be successful!   :D
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Re: Spit 8 vs Ki
« Reply #124 on: April 03, 2011, 12:52:38 AM »
Quote from: PFactorDave on April 02, 2011, 09:25:21 PM
Yay me!  4.4:1 k/d in the Ki84 last tour.  I must be successful!   :D

Yeah but you have only 44 kills in it  :devil  :bolt:
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Re: Spit 8 vs Ki
« Reply #125 on: April 03, 2011, 10:02:11 AM »
Quote from: MachFly on April 03, 2011, 12:52:38 AM
Yeah but you have only 44 kills in it  :devil  :bolt:

Well I didn't get back into it until the last few days of the tour.   :D
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Re: Spit 8 vs Ki
« Reply #126 on: April 03, 2011, 12:03:52 PM »
Quote from: MachFly on April 02, 2011, 05:45:47 PM
He's got a K/D of 4.85 in it, I think that's good.
 

K/D is more of an indicator of safe flying and maybe good gunnery. Most anyone could have good K/D flying at the edge of enemy bases cherrying everything. Don't get me wrong Rud is quite excellent but he flies "soft".

Good K/D shows me that, the peep in question "may" have serious "ego issues" with "tower time"  ;)




BTW Lippy may be the best ki84 driver at the moment! :aok


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Re: Spit 8 vs Ki
« Reply #127 on: April 03, 2011, 12:45:34 PM »
I'll second Lippy over Rudeboi.  Much more aggressive and generally dogfight savvy.
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Re: Spit 8 vs Ki
« Reply #128 on: April 03, 2011, 07:05:52 PM »
Quote from: JUGgler on April 03, 2011, 12:03:52 PM
K/D is more of an indicator of safe flying and maybe good gunnery. Most anyone could have good K/D flying at the edge of enemy bases cherrying everything. Don't get me wrong Rud is quite excellent but he flies "soft".

Good K/D shows me that, the peep in question "may" have serious "ego issues" with "tower time"  ;)




BTW Lippy may be the best ki84 driver at the moment! :aok


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I'm not following you.

"soft"?

"ego issues" with "tower time"?
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Re: Spit 8 vs Ki
« Reply #129 on: April 03, 2011, 09:14:05 PM »
I'd take the Spit 8/9/16 over the Ki-84. Mostly because of the Hizookas - if the Ki-84 driver makes any mistakes at all he is going to be a deader about 90% of the time. The Spits can reverse faster off an initial "DA" style merge, and if they land a snapshot the Ki-84 will be dead far more often than not - and even if he isn't dead I don't think I've ever seen a Hizooka round land on a fighter and not damage something. A Ki-84 missing a flap or an aileron (or his entire tail, if the round lands there) is a Ki-84 that isn't going to have a lot of luck fighting. 

If the Ki-84 gets extremely lucky or the Spit driver can't shoot, the longer the fight goes the better the Ki-84s chances - I liked to try to get Spits into a slow spiral climb when I flew the Ki-84.
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Re: Spit 8 vs Ki
« Reply #130 on: April 03, 2011, 11:45:19 PM »
Urchin,

I've hit an La-7 with 10 Hispano rounds and not damaged it.  I was flying a Typhoon, shooting a squirrely La-7 on which the hits came in ones and twos over a long period.  Eventually I stalled out and hit the ground.

The Hispano hits hard, but not that hard.  As I recall, the Type 99 Model II hits for 95% of what a Hispano does, the MG151/20 for about 80-85% and the Ho-5 for about 70-75%.
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Re: Spit 8 vs Ki
« Reply #131 on: April 04, 2011, 12:13:34 AM »
Quote from: MachFly on April 03, 2011, 07:05:52 PM
I'm not following you.

"soft"?

"ego issues" with "tower time"?

In a nut shell I'm saying K/D means jackdoodlysquat   ;)



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Re: Spit 8 vs Ki
« Reply #132 on: April 04, 2011, 12:23:11 AM »
Quote from: JUGgler on April 04, 2011, 12:13:34 AM
In a nut shell I'm saying K/D means jackdoodlysquat   ;)



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I understood that part  :)

I disagree with it, but lets not get into that.
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Re: Spit 8 vs Ki
« Reply #133 on: April 04, 2011, 12:24:50 AM »
Quote from: JUGgler on April 04, 2011, 12:13:34 AM
In a nut shell I'm saying K/D means jackdoodlysquat   ;)

I don't know if I agree that it means "jackdoodlysquat".  Not every two weeker can post up a >1 K/D in a tour.  But I do agree that it can be manipulated pretty easily.  Heck, fly a P51, 190, or Typh in full high alt BnZ 1 pass extend 6k pick mode and just about anyone can put up a good K/D ratio.  Which is why, I believe, we see the large numbers of runstangs and run90s in the MA these days.

I personally don't see the appeal.  I've flown that way before, in the P51s and 190s, I never make it very long before I get bored and up in something a little more interesting like a Ki84, 109G14 or F, F4U1D, or maybe C205.

All that said, I am wondering if there is ANY metric in the current score system that has much value in judging skill?  Seems like they can all be manipulated to some degree or another.
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Re: Spit 8 vs Ki
« Reply #134 on: April 04, 2011, 12:31:56 AM »
Quote from: PFactorDave on April 04, 2011, 12:24:50 AM
I don't know if I agree that it means "jackdoodlysquat".  Not every two weeker can post up a >1 K/D in a tour.  But I do agree that it can be manipulated pretty easily.  Heck, fly a P51, 190, or Typh in full high alt BnZ 1 pass extend 6k pick mode and just about anyone can put up a good K/D ratio.  Which is why, I believe, we see the large numbers of runstangs and run90s in the MA these days.

I personally don't see the appeal.  I've flown that way before, in the P51s and 190s, I never make it very long before I get bored and up in something a little more interesting like a Ki84, 109G14 or F, F4U1D, or maybe C205.

All that said, I am wondering if there is ANY metric in the current score system that has much value in judging skill?  Seems like they can all be manipulated to some degree or another.

I don't think there is a "metric" to truly judge someones skill, the only way is to fight them...or by using your own eyes...when you see this person is he always in a hourd? does he only fly very fast planes picking furballs? is he a vulch king?   does he have lots of assists?  if so that means he is always around friendlies....there are many factors that you can assess...but Fighting them is the only way to truly judge...not just one or two fights. at least that's how I see it  :headscratch:
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