Would you have done it?

[mechanic]

The law system is the retribution.  Don't you see? 

You have absolutely no idea about law systems outside of your home country. Least of all, South Africa. you are wrong.

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Yossarian, good post. Of course I understand everything you are saying.

To your final question, no, I would not be willing to change my mind on this no matter what any reasonable argument suggests. If you did that to my daughter, you're going to suffer a fate worse than death at my hands and I will smile into your eyes while I do it to you. (all the arguments about the actual case not being what we though are moot, the question is 'if this is what happened and it happened to your daughter').

[Penguin]

Also, just out of interest, to everyone in this thread: how many of you would actually be willing to change your opinion about this topic based on (logical) arguments you see here?

[I cut out the parts that I wasn't going to reply to]

I suppose this includes me, too.  The circumstances would have to be very, very special (for instance, I live in the Terminator world, my daughter is Sarah Connor and I know it).  Otherwise, let the court take care of it, I don't want blood on my hands.

You have absolutely no idea about law systems outside of your home country. Least of all, South Africa. you are wrong.
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Yossarian, good post. Of course I understand everything you are saying.

To your final question, no, I would not be willing to change my mind on this no matter what any reasonable argument suggests. If you did that to my daughter, you're going to suffer a fate worse than death at my hands and I will smile into your eyes while I do it to you. (all the arguments about the actual case not being what we though are moot, the question is 'if this is what happened and it happened to your daughter').

Are you an expert in that field?  If so, then you may have a point.  Do you have any experience there that I do not?  Are you a travelling lawyer who is versed in the laws of countries worldwide?  (Not that I am, though I know that it could be read that way).  Otherwise, you have none more than I do.

Furthermore, what you suggest is madness, an eye for an eye makes the whole world blind, don't you see?  What if you killed the wrong man?  What then?  Does his family then go out and start killing people?  Mob rule is insanity.

-Penguin     

[mechanic]

An eye for an eye acts as a deterrent. An eye for a small stretch in a warm cell with free food does not.

As for your lawyer style questions...well....I dare you to go to Johannesburg and call any man on the street an insulting name and then see how quickly you become dog food. And..no...no one will care that it happened to you and ....no...the man who does it to you will never be brought to trial. The SA police will laugh at your stupidity and never blink about it. But...But.....you only called him a dickhead, why would he kill you for that?? Just go and try. The world is ruled by mobs. The most powerfull mobs wear uniforms.

[MORAY37]

An eye for an eye acts as a deterrent. An eye for a small stretch in a warm cell with free food does not.

As for your lawyer style questions...well....I dare you to go to Johannesburg and call any man on the street an insulting name and then see how quickly you become dog food. And..no...no one will care that it happened to you and ....no...the man who does it to you will never be brought to trial. The SA police will laugh at your stupidity and never blink about it. But...But.....you only called him a dickhead, why would he kill you for that?? Just go and try. The world is ruled by mobs. The most powerfull mobs wear uniforms.

I feel a brisk 915 am EST close to this thread....

[mechanic]

I won't be replying again anyhow, but I do not see why the thread should be locked. It's an interesting topic in the O'club. It's no political, rascist or derogatory it is just a strong disagreement of opinions.

[Yossarian]

An eye for an eye acts as a deterrent. An eye for a small stretch in a warm cell with free food does not.

As for your lawyer style questions...well....I dare you to go to Johannesburg and call any man on the street an insulting name and then see how quickly you become dog food. And..no...no one will care that it happened to you and ....no...the man who does it to you will never be brought to trial. The SA police will laugh at your stupidity and never blink about it. But...But.....you only called him a dickhead, why would he kill you for that?? Just go and try. The world is ruled by mobs. The most powerfull mobs wear uniforms.

You may be right about South Africa, but how do you know?

And I think I agree with what you said about the world being ruled by mobs, but isn't that basically just an alternative definition of civilisation?  A group of people banding together (ie a mob) and creating something organised (which then can be categorised as various smaller mobs, of which there would be the police, government, military, companies etc).  So I agree with what you said, but I'm not sure if it's actually is important here, since the world is what it is, and most of us will probably never change it.

Also, I have no idea about the mindset of your average criminal/prisoner (it's probably meaningless to say 'average' in that context), but I think that if a prison sentence were combined with some sort of reintegration programme, the re-offending rate would go way down.

[morfiend]

-1 to people getting bent out of shape in this thread...  It's just a bunch of internet chest thumping and sharing our favorite ways to daydream about torturing and killing hypothetical people who have committed one of the worst crimes people can think of.

Surprised the thread is still unlocked, so here's another couple gross ways to imagine killing someone who has hypothetically raped your hypothetical daughter.

Sever a guy's Achilles tendons and the major tendons in the elbow, so they can't walk or crawl.  Set them in a pool of gasoline, and set it on fire.

The old trick of shoving someone feet first into a wood chipper was apparently a favorite of Saddam Hussein's kids, and it's really tough to beat the classics like that.  They just don't make torture kills like they used to.

  Exactly as I took it........ hence the "hang in there baby" remark


   Oh well if this gets locked it will be a first for me! never been in a thread that was locked!


     

[MarineUS]

each one would suffer in his own way...

The very first thing would be to cut off their eye lids..

I would rip out the eyes of one, leave the nerve attached and turn it around so he could watch himself die without using a mirror. Let him watch the life fade from his own eyes. Snip off their minor extremities (fingers, toes, genitals) after pulling off the nails with a set of pliers. I'd pour acid on them in small amounts, I'd rub down the wounds with ghost chili peppers and salt. While this is going on I'd use electricity and smelling salts to keep them awake. I'd split the apple with a blade, I'd ram a screw driver through the space in the front lower part of the knee....hell run a current into their teeth so it hits the nerve...the screams of these individuals would bring so much pleasure.

After doing this I'd cut their tendons as mentioned before, pull their teeth out, split their tongue in half, then rip it out. Make them try to stand up. I'd cut off the noodle and ram it in their mouth, duct tape it in. Slit their nostrils.....drop bleach into one of their eyes. All the while I'd have the Barney theme song playing in the background. "We love you...".....

I'll stop there....

[jimson]

Nah, you wouldn't do all that. A normal, decent human being wouldn't be capable of such savagery even to someone who they felt richly deserved it.

You might start to, but would begin to feel horrified and then might just dispatch them and be done with it.

[MarineUS]

You'd like to assume so.

The screams of agony would fill me with much joy...

[jimson]

I still don't think so, unless you happen to be psychotic.

No doubt a sane person could kill another out of revenge, even in a crude brutal fashion such as bludgeoning, that sort of systematic, heinous brutality isn't something we could stick to for very long.

We just aren't wired for it.

[MarineUS]

Psychotic or just that much rage? Family comes before everything in my eyes. True friends are family as well. Not your everyday friend, but those you know who would be there until the end.

If my family is harmed, I'll do the most damage possible. It's why you wouldn't want me in interrogation....I'd get the info you want, but I would refuse to follow the rules.

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Hearing the screams, looking at the fear and pain in the eyes of the guilty....would be nothing but satisfaction. I'm not a baby killer so I wouldn't say I'm completely psycho, but that switch I feel flip from time to time would get put on perma-kill until the job was done.

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Plus sometime I think I'm crazy, which normally means you aren't crazy, because the truly crazy don't see themselves as insane. - then again that could be me not seeing myself as crazy by using that excuse! Ohhhh a worm hole just opened!

[dedalos]

I m guessing this thread is like everything else.  Lots of talk, lots of tough guys, lots of I would have, bla bla bla.  In the end, only a very small percentage of the posters would have really done anything (probably the ones that stayed quiet.)

Don't forget, some of the tough guys here are the ones that will use every excuse in the world to not go to the DA and face a cartoon fight.  I don;t think they would actually go out and try to take on three rapists/murderers etc.

To be clear, killing them while they attempt the rape is defending your family. Killing them a few days after is just revenge.  I have no problem with revenge, but lets call it what it is.  If I could get them, I would.  But lets face it, it would have been near impossible to find 3 men you never saw and even if I did, who would take care of my daughters if I did kill them?  So, yeah, easy to talk about what we would have done but I bet you no one if any would have actually done anything.

[mechanic]

good post Ded, one of the best posts yet 

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good post Ded, one of the best posts yet  

I just read your sig

friggin funny watermelon right there


and ya Ded is dead on.....