So heres whats wrong with the WWI...

[BnZs]

That is besides the point. The point is it would be outrageous to make a 4-plane WWII air combat game with American planes in. 

LOL, ah, but that was another part of my point Bat. Leaving France out of WWI makes just as much sense as leaving Britain out of WWII....

[BaldEagl]

The problem with WWI is there's just not enough to do there.  The fighters are entertaining for a while and early on when it was heavily populated it was a blast but it needs some GV's, bombers and some sort of "war" mechanism to draw more people in.  All those who do those things in the MA have no reason to go there.  I have no idea how much of the population that is but it's significant.  It doesn't have to be just like the MA but it needs something.

If that were to happen even the current fighters could be fun as it would seperate the furballs and allow some one on one and one on two action possibly against non Dr I aircraft.  BTW French planes are really needed too.

[FLS]

Aces High beta only had the P-51D. 

[B-17]

Camel is nowhere near equal to what a Spit or a Hurri is to a 109.

Camel probably *ought* to be like a 109 F-4 to the Dr1's SpitV but alas, such is pretty far from the case.

i think he mostly meant that there is no twin engine/bomber plane in WWI.

[Urchin]

No, he meant that the Camel literally does nothing better than the Dr I. The 109F has some advantages over the Spit V, which is what makes the fight interesting. The Camel has no advantages over the Dr I.

[BnZs]

Aces High beta only had the P-51D. 

For how long?

[BnZs]

No, he meant that the Camel literally does nothing better than the Dr I. The 109F has some advantages over the Spit V, which is what makes the fight interesting. The Camel has no advantages over the Dr I.

The Camel has enough gyro to literally make it fly sideways during the slow part of a loop...but somehow this gyro doesn't manage to translate into rotating over in a hammerhead quickly. DVIII hammers just as well. Would be an interesting combat maneuver to have in the bag if the Camel *would* rotate.

Camel is maybe marginally better than the Dr1 in the vertical, but the Dr1s ability to hang there and shoot with no airspeed, recover maneuverability after a stall near instantly, dive to high speed and pull black out Gs, and simply absorb a ton of ammo negate most of the meaning of this.

[CptTrips]

Aces High beta only had the P-51D. 

We're paying to fly in WWI Arena.

[B-17]

We're paying to fly in WWI Arena.

not everybody, but their paying to keep it open/running. am i wrong?

[CptTrips]

not everybody, but their paying to keep it open/running. am i wrong?

Unless you are on your 2-week trial, you must have a paid account to access the WWI arena.


What I was trying to say is that a players expectations of quality and completeness are different between a free beta and a pay-for-play arena.


Wab

[FLS]

We're paying to fly in WWI Arena.

My point was that AH started with one aircraft. I'm sure it had at least 4 when it went to pay.

Hitech said he was looking at the WW1 arena. Is somebody asking if we're there yet?   

The Camel has enough gyro to literally make it fly sideways during the slow part of a loop...but somehow this gyro doesn't manage to translate into rotating over in a hammerhead quickly. DVIII hammers just as well. Would be an interesting combat maneuver to have in the bag if the Camel *would* rotate.

Camel is maybe marginally better than the Dr1 in the vertical, but the Dr1s ability to hang there and shoot with no airspeed, recover maneuverability after a stall near instantly, dive to high speed and pull black out Gs, and simply absorb a ton of ammo negate most of the meaning of this.

As I pointed out in another thread, the gyro precession requires a pitch rotation for the yaw response. We have that.

[CptTrips]

My point was that AH started with one aircraft. I'm sure it had at least 4 when it went to pay.

AH was an order of magnitude more full featured at the time it went pay than WWI Arena was.

Hitech said he was looking at the WW1 arena. Is somebody asking if we're there yet?   

1.  Hitech has admitted they think there actually are modelling problems with the DR.I....hmmmm....nevermind.
2.  He said he is thinking about "something" to add more variety.  No one has been given any clue on what that might be.

AH was continually supported and improved with a system of regular incremental updates on an agile time frame like clock work from the day it opened its doors.  It was easy to wait because you could see regular, visible improvements every month.  It was obvious things were going to improve.  You could watch it happening.


The WWI Arena has sat moldering, untouched for a year.

I look forward to seeing what improvments are on the way, but don't give me that "are we there yet" BS.

Wab

[BnZs]

As I pointed out in another thread, the gyro precession requires a pitch rotation for the yaw response. We have that.

I'm aware of how gyro precession works. I'm also aware that the massive amount of yaw force you can generate doesn't seem to help the plane actually get rotating, either in a hammerhead or a spin. Remember, this airplane was supposed to be so likely to enter a spin due to gyro forces that new pilots were advised to not attempt turns to the right at low altitudes.

 Planes do not seem to rotate about their yaw axis easily in AH. The Camel would potentially be massively more maneuverable (and dangerous to fly!) if this were not the case.

But mostly what I was saying with that thread, is that people who say WWI air combat just is not fertile ground to draw dedicated fans based on the current WWI arena population are wrong.

[pervert]

The camel has better fuel duration than the DR1 ....that IS the only advantage it holds. I can out turn most DR1s sticks in an F1 against the top DR1 sticks I can manage about 45 odd turns on the deck before the DR1's ludicrous FM overwhelms me or the camel's stinky FM screws me depending on your pov.
 
I don't want to fall victim to the ancedotal FM but this thing is about as stable as you get the controls are spongy and tar like in their response, engine torque makes little or no effect.

Yes you can win against a DR1 in it, but you better pray the guy your up against is a lemon otherwise you've had it! And even at that one slip up and literally I mean one will let said lemon rape you  

Even most of the 'top' DR1 sticks you can force down to a on the deck circle contest which is how every fight ends without E or alt but even if they are screwing that up royally nearly augering every other turn they will still get you in the end  

in fact why even bother with the other aircraft? this arena should have been simply called..

"DR1.... FIGHT!!!"

[Sid]

Planes do not seem to rotate about their yaw axis easily in AH. The Camel would potentially be massively more maneuverable (and dangerous to fly!) if this were not the case.

I wonder if this ties up with the notion that AH has some sort of Yaw Damper running in the background: thoughts about need for rudder usage?