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Science - Cold Fusion is it possible?
« on: April 09, 2011, 06:58:04 PM »
Hi, topic just to spark some attention to the subject. I've not seen it covered here yet though it may have been. Still, there is some interesting new research being done and some of you may have heard of it.

Rossi-Foccardi cell

There also were a video recorded at the Bologna University open demonstration with english subtitles but the subtitles seem to have been removed on all those videos for some reason. At least they're not working from my computer so you may have better luck in viewing those, especially if you know the italian language well.

Anyway, it's a very interesting development and I'm (NOT really) shocked this hasn't been covered much by the media. IF this is proven, and yes it does look credible so far with not much against it, it will be nothing short of revolutionary and with a real possibility to solve most if not all of our energy problems.


So from what I understand this is the reaction: Hydrogen + Nickel => Copper

It does produce radiation, for as long as the duration of the reaction. As soon as the reaction is stopped so is the radiation with it so it does not produce radioactive waste but does require a lead shield around the device.

One of the observing scientists who had brought their own measuring instruments to the Bologna test observed that there were no hidden cables to/from the device, but it was still possible to hide something else than what was claimed within it. He noted though, that if it was a chemical reaction it would still be revolutionary because the world's most efficient battery would weigh more than 10 times more and still not produce the energy measured by the observers.

I find all of this very intriguing, to say the least. They say there will be a power plant going operational in Greece before the end of the year, and that a Greek company will sell the device internationally. Having said all this, it wouldn't surprise me the least if Foccardi and Rossi would go and die in some freak car accident or airplane crash and all of this forgotten about.

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Re: Science - Cold Fusion is it possible?
« Reply #1 on: April 09, 2011, 07:15:47 PM »
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« Reply #2 on: April 09, 2011, 08:05:41 PM »
60 Minutes had an episode about Cold Fusion as well.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JyNn_Z6wCIk&feature=relmfu

If Cold Fusion really is possible, I would love to see this piece of technology replace our current energy sources. Of course it will change everything. For better or for worse.
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Re: Science - Cold Fusion is it possible?
« Reply #3 on: April 09, 2011, 08:25:41 PM »
Having said all this, it wouldn't surprise me the least if Foccardi and Rossi would go and die in some freak car accident or airplane crash and all of this forgotten about.


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Re: Science - Cold Fusion is it possible?
« Reply #4 on: April 10, 2011, 12:09:03 AM »
and the navy just tested a neutron laser that requires quite a bit of juice to run.


hmmm.......

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« Reply #5 on: April 10, 2011, 12:40:02 AM »
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Re: Science - Cold Fusion is it possible?
« Reply #6 on: April 10, 2011, 07:00:43 AM »
One of the observing scientists who had brought their own measuring instruments to the Bologna test...

Does anyone else find it amusing that the test was held at a university sharing the name of a particular form of lunch meat whose name is often pronounced "baloney," as in "nonsense?"
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« Reply #7 on: April 10, 2011, 07:26:51 AM »
I heard about this a couple months ago and the report I was reading was very skeptical about the scientists results, so until he can show it working & it be peer reviewed I'm on the skeptical side about what this guy is claiming.
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Re: Science - Cold Fusion is it possible?
« Reply #8 on: April 10, 2011, 11:53:40 AM »
It's a scam guys. There is no peer review nor even a patent application for any of their processes.  :frown:

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« Reply #9 on: April 10, 2011, 12:15:37 PM »
Does anyone else find it amusing that the test was held at a university sharing the name of a particular form of lunch meat whose name is often pronounced "baloney," as in "nonsense?"
Except that the Bologna is literally the oldest centers of anything you could remotely call 'modern' learning in the world...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bologna_University

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Re: Science - Cold Fusion is it possible?
« Reply #10 on: April 10, 2011, 12:21:17 PM »
You'll never discover what's on the outside of the box if you don't look.

There is a patent application filed, it has not been accepted yet. There are theoretical problems as our current scence is incomplete and unable to fully explain what is occurring. Rossi worked from a basic (empiric) theory of fusion, tested various materials in practical experiments until he allegedly discovered a process which worked. That is, he simply ignored working out a detailed theory before experimenting knowing that our theoretical science is flawed, because it is. Anyone who claim that our science is complete I'd call a ignorant liar. Why are we then still even looking at the stars? Why are we even bothering with quantum physics if our theories are already accurate?

So what happened was that this guy dared to carry out experiments without a good solid theory behind how it was supposed to work out, and now he's having real issues with working out the explanation of how it works theoretically. It makes sense.

Consider that if anyone 3000 years ago would fold a paper airplane and make it fly, he would in a sense have discovered flight. It doesn't mean that he knew how it works, he just discovered that his practical application does work the way it does. He could then spend the rest of his life trying to figure out the theory behind it.

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Re: Science - Cold Fusion is it possible?
« Reply #11 on: April 10, 2011, 12:44:22 PM »
It's a scam guys. There is no peer review nor even a patent application for any of their processes.  :frown:
Don't even know where to begin on this guy Rossi and his history, on what they did wrong in their demo (didn't do simple stuff like weigh apparatus before and after), on them owning the "journal" they published the "reports" in....  But they reportedly do have a company in Greece (?) buying their gizmos and (iirc) Lockheed Martin also is doing business with them.  Could such a big company be fooled by one kook?  Well, what's up with EESTOR?

Vortex this isn't fusion.
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Re: Science - Cold Fusion is it possible?
« Reply #12 on: April 10, 2011, 01:03:46 PM »
Vortex this isn't fusion.

No, they are not claiming it to be cold fusion either. A misnomer by me however it 'might' be a type of cold fusion. They call it a "energy catalyzer". However if you have a reaction between Hydrogen and Nickel with Copper being the product of the reaction, is that not fusion? Whatever it is, it's something new.

The real test will be whether they can make this into a real world application. If they can succeed in doing that they are not only proving validity to their claims but they will also have defeated the energy corporations who have a certain interest in keeping the price of energy up.

Just because a application doesn't make it into a commercial product doesn't mean it's not working or 'not true'. I've seen patented inventions bought up by big corporations and shelved because there's no interest in or profit on investing in new technology which would make the older and more profitable technology obsolete.
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« Reply #13 on: April 10, 2011, 01:19:18 PM »
nor even a patent application for any of their processes.  :frown:
Well they actually do have a patent application for it.

http://v3.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?CC=WO&NR=2009125444&KC=&FT=E
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Re: Science - Cold Fusion is it possible?
« Reply #14 on: April 10, 2011, 01:55:03 PM »
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It's something new for sure, and the 'fusion' tag is incorrect and furthers the 'cold fusion' train wreck/connotations for... what reason?  I'm saying there's no good reason to keep calling it that, other than press' benefit from sensationalism.

On #2: Yes it remains to be seen that Rossi & cie do have something that works.  It isn't at all ruled out because the "cold fusion" AKA Low Energy Nuclear Reaction AKA Chemically Assisted Nuclear Reaction has definitely been repeatedly spotted, despite all the "Bad press" (another reason why it's no good to expect anything from the Press' standards, they change on their whims) it got.  E.G. it could be the same phenomenon that Randal Mills (famous vaporware-ish funding fiend) reported and used to give credence to his nutty lower than ground state "hydrino" "theory".

#3 shenanigans are true in general but how do you know this particular case is an instance of it?  It's not clear and Rossi, in either confidence trick savvy or fair commercial shrewdness, has arranged it so that we won't know the actual science till roughly the same time his technological gizmo hits the commercial jackpot.
Another somewhat more credible instance of the dogmatic and parochial faults of the "Church of Science": Dr. J. Prins' superconductivity research.  He has been literally black balled and his reputation smeared for defying established understanding of superconductivity. Labs refuse to test his material without ever justifying why. He claims to have affordable room superconductivity solutions (with experimental evidence) and a completely different model that makes predictions the status quo (BCS theory) doesn't.
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