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Offline ToeTag

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Re: 2012 End of The World?
« Reply #90 on: May 05, 2011, 06:29:04 AM »
Yup... and if you are still not convinced, you can always start to gather some savings for this:
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NASA has said that there will be a polar flip in the sun.  This causes solar flares.  Every 100 years we should see major eruptions.  We are currently at 150 years from the last major eruption from the sun.  This last major eruption fried telegraph wires.  At that point our society was not on a grid.  It did not rely on everything being plugged into a grid for sustainable life.  Now our culture is dependant on a grid that is vulnerable to an EMP.  If this were to happen on a larger scale it would be just like somebody temporarily destroying our power infrastructure in an instant.  It happened in Québec not to long ago and in the past 20 years it has happened at several different locations and these were not even considered dangerous.  Instead of it knocking out a city that could be fixed in a few days or weeks imagine if it effected 1/2 or more North America.  You can’t fix that quickly. 

NASA says this is likely to happen.  They just do not say how bad it is going to be.  I hope it isn't too serious, but what if it is a big one?
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Re: 2012 End of The World?
« Reply #91 on: May 05, 2011, 06:41:00 AM »
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Re: 2012 End of The World?
« Reply #92 on: May 05, 2011, 07:21:37 AM »
I don't worry about the end of the world.

I keep my shotgun loaded and the pantry shelves so full they groan.

Whatever happens, will happen with or without my worrying about it.


I do dislike the seeming increasing frequency of natural disasters.
I don't worry about it, but it concerns me, as there is little I can do about it.

Almost like mother earth is a dog and is trying to get rid of flea's (us) Shaking, scratching, biting, (Earthquakes, hurricanes, tornado's) etc. Perhaps we have expanded our population too high for what she can comfortably carry?

Can anyone definitively say we have had this many people in the world before?
Who knows what "could" happen.

Something to think about while staring at the stars, or over a cold beer, but I don't waste worry on it.
I'm prepared as well as I can be for the  unexpected.

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Re: 2012 End of The World?
« Reply #93 on: May 05, 2011, 07:28:52 AM »
Quote from: Sundowner on Yesterday at 07:09:44 PM

Is it so very hard to not see the increase in frequency and severity of "natural" events and not discern a logical pattern? headscratch


Extrapolate into the future what the outcomes will be if the current trends continue and/or increase.


Work with the best available data. Stating that there may be more unknown data is a flimsy (at best) method to support a position.

This bit of free research is all I give away for today...

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Late April tornado outbreak sets new record, Weather Service says

(CNN) -- At least 178 tornadoes were part of the severe weather that raked the Midwest and South April 27-28, making it the largest recorded tornado outbreak in U.S. history, the National Weather Service said Wednesday.

The number of twisters surpassed the previous record of 148 tornadoes in the April 3-4, 1974, outbreak, the Weather Service said.

The April 27-28 outbreak caused 327 deaths, making it the third deadliest tornado outbreak in U.S. history, behind outbreaks in 1925 and 1932, with 747 deaths and 332 deaths respectively.
http://www.cnn.com/2011/US/05/04/tornado.record/index.html?hpt=Sbin


Flood Unease Builds South Along the Mississippi

......Memphis, where the Mississippi was at 43.8 feet Tuesday, could see a near-record crest of 48 feet on May 11, just inches lower than the record of 48.7 feet in 1937.

Forecasters say the river could break records in Mississippi set during catastrophic floods in 1927 and a decade later. Gov. Haley Barbour started warning people last week to take precautions if they live in flood-prone areas near the river, comparing the swell of water moving downriver to a pig moving through a python.

With tornados and the threat of rivers gone wild, "we're making a lot of unfortunate history here in Mississippi in April and May," said Jeff Rent, a Mississippi Emergency Management Agency spokesman........

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/05/04/flood-unease-builds-south-mississippi/#ixzz1LR6mbnpi

Japan earthquake becomes fifth-strongest since 1900
The strongest quake occurred in Chile in 1960 and measured magnitude 9.5. The devastating quake in Japan supplants the 2010 Chile quake, which at 8.8 was fifth-strongest. The deadliest quake in history is believed to have been an 8.0 temblor in Shaanxi, China, in 1556, in which 830,000 are believed to have died.
March 11, 2011|By Michael Muskal | Los Angeles Times

When the earth shook off the coast of Japan on Friday, the magnitude 8.9 quake became the fifth strongest since 1900.

According to records kept by the U.S. Geological Survey's Earthquake Information Center, the largest quake remains the one in Chile in 1960 that measured 9.5. That was followed by the 1964 quake in Prince William Sound, Alaska, at 9.2; the 2004 quake off of Sumatra, at 9.1; and the 1952 quake in Kamchatka, a peninsula in eastern Russia near the Bering Sea, at 9.0......
http://articles.latimes.com/2011/mar/11/news/la-pn-worst-earthquakes-in-history-20110311








ever hear of Krakatoa? largest eruption, loudest sound in recored human history.    late 1800's.    the world didn't end because of it, nor will it end.

  there is NO WAY we could ever form any sort of accurate long term weather or world predictor.   like its been stated, we have only been recording weather and earthquakes for what, 150 years?   we'll say 200 to be fair.   what about the 4.5 billion and change before that?!  never had giant hurricanes before that?  tornadoes didnt rage across the plains?  you REALLY think the world never saw a 9.5 earthquake?  honestly, you think giant tsunamis never raced acrossed the worlds oceans before??   this is all NATURAL, all happened because SCIENCE dictates that is MUST happen, not because some antiquated culture that went extinct a 1000 years ago says it will.   and as far as prophets go.....how hard is it to predict a big earthquake when you have 50 years of lee-way on either side?   that would be like me predicting it's going to rain this summer.  

if you want to do research, look up mega-thrust earthquakes.  you'll understand why we have massive quakes.  has nothing to do with the mayans, i assure you ;)
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Re: 2012 End of The World?
« Reply #94 on: May 05, 2011, 09:00:37 AM »
The world WILL end, If and when HT kills AH. :bolt:


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Re: 2012 End of The World?
« Reply #95 on: May 05, 2011, 09:16:11 AM »
I am not worried at all, i live in the middle east and it's only 14 somthing , they have a differnet calender  so ive hundreds of years to go :)
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Re: 2012 End of The World?
« Reply #96 on: May 05, 2011, 10:55:08 AM »
Out of all mental abilities this type of intelligence is said to have the highest correlation with the general intelligence factor, g. This is primarily because pattern recognition is the ability to see order in a chaotic environment; the primary condition for life. Patterns can be found in ideas, words, symbols and images and pattern recognition is unlearned and untrainable. Pattern recognition is a key determinant of your potential in logical, verbal, numerical and spatial abilities. It is essential for reasoning because your capacity to think logically is based on your perception of the logic around you. Your pattern recognition skills are expressed verbally through your long term exposure to language and your mathematical and spatial abilities are based on your perception of numerical data and 3D objects.

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You are correct stating that pattern recognition is, undisputably, a vital component of life. And I also understand when you state that we have to work with what data we have available. Altough, the point, I think, you fail to consider is that too small of a sample can bring one to draw flawed conclusion. Even among the scientific community there is no consensus about the warming trend we seem to be experiencing and it's effect on weather. When one say that the climate is changing, the underlying assumption is that it is changing in regard with some data sample. The only reliable (and somewhat comlete) record we have available date back from 1800-1850. Saying that climate is changing in regard to these records is true. But that leads us to assume that the climate was always like that and was very stable, an assumption proven wrong by scientific research and earlier incomplete or indirect record. There was a period spanning between the 16th century up to the 19th century, dubbed the 'little ice age' where temperature were much cooler than today's . We have records in the form of some painting dating from the 17th century, that shows the Thames in London to be completely frozen over. Something not seen for a very long time now. And before that there was the 'medieval warm period' spanning roughly from 950 AD to 1250 AD.

And speaking about patern :


This is a graphical depiction of the measurment taken from the Vostok ice core in Antartica. It span for about 450k years. Today being on the left most. The trend I see in this is a very cyclic and unstable temperature patern with a frenquency of nearly 100 000 years. One could assume that this is the pattern that repeat itself over and over, and yet we must not fall into this trap, as if one could see the temperature curve over the last 4 billions of years, that another, larger in scall, patern emerge (tough I must admit that's a complete assumption on my part here but given the pattern...). Of course this alone gives us no idea of what were the effect of the temperature change on the weather system, but it is thought that warmer temperature at the equator makes for stronger weather system as the heat seek to distribute itself evenly around the globe.

I'll conced one point to you. It is quite possible that, in the longer term, climate change does cause the end of the human world. That does not, in any way, imply that the earth will be devoid of life. In the mean time, we have to learn to cope with the increasing effect weather have on human activity. That does not mean the weather is getting harsher. It means that there are more people and activity that are affected by it. Back 100 years who would have cared for a solar flare as there was no big scale network to be knocked down by it. Back 400 years, the native-american were probably not crazy enough to build their home right in the middle of the tornadoes alley. And they probably moved away when the Mississipi menaced of flooding the surrounding land. These are a few, probably bad and refutable, example I found.

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Re: 2012 End of The World?
« Reply #97 on: May 05, 2011, 11:25:16 AM »
No clue on 2012 but I really liked 2112.

If a SHTF scenario unfolds to the point of people abandoning thier posts at nuclear powerplants and offshore oil rigs, expect that there will be no place on earth to ride out the environmental calamity.

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Re: 2012 End of The World?
« Reply #98 on: May 05, 2011, 02:19:56 PM »
Really the only thing that makes me worry about it is the Mayan calender is 100% correct. And the fact that they just STOPPED on that day. Also polar shifting is said to be due any day now, and the volcano under Yellowstone national park that causes old faithful to spew water is due to erupt any day. And its a super volcano.  Its also the specific day that every planet in the universe aligns up in a straight line. And they say something could happen because of that

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Re: 2012 End of The World?
« Reply #99 on: May 05, 2011, 02:47:40 PM »
Its also the specific day that every planet in the universe aligns up in a straight line.

Right. Carry on.

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P.S. : they also said the LHC would create micro black hole that would engulf planet Earth... still waiting... People are always afraid of what they don't understand.
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Re: 2012 End of The World?
« Reply #100 on: May 05, 2011, 03:16:35 PM »
Well I just hope it's quick.  I don't want to suffer.   :neener:
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Re: 2012 End of The World?
« Reply #101 on: May 05, 2011, 03:21:07 PM »
Well I just hope it's quick.  I don't want to suffer.   :neener:

Your all right some time in 2012, there will be a power failure and HTC's servers will be down, then you are all going to die from boredom and AH withdrawal!! :O :O
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Re: 2012 End of The World?
« Reply #102 on: May 05, 2011, 05:01:06 PM »
I'll let ya know on the 22nd.
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Re: 2012 End of The World?
« Reply #103 on: May 05, 2011, 05:18:04 PM »
Myself, I haven't really committed to a decision on the outcome.
I must say, though, I am very happy on how this thread is being handled.
Very interesting opinions on this subject.

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Re: 2012 End of The World?
« Reply #104 on: May 05, 2011, 06:06:32 PM »
Your all right some time in 2012, there will be a power failure and HTC's servers will be down, then you are all going to die from boredom and AH withdrawal!! :O :O

I have a  plan for  that...it involves a pillow and  a bed
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