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Offline Ack-Ack

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Re: Just for the record, Spitfire...
« Reply #30 on: May 10, 2011, 12:31:14 PM »
Your Spitfire XIV survived because those planes that were shooting at you were really spraying and praying.  If either of those planes had hit at their convergence point you would have lost that wing.  Also lucky that the cannon hit on the side of your fuselage wasn't in a vital area or your plane wouldn't have survived that hit.

At least in the Spitfire XIV's case, you survived by a little bit of luck and from the other guys not being able to shoot very well rather than because the Spitfire was a damage sponge.

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Re: Just for the record, Spitfire...
« Reply #31 on: May 10, 2011, 12:39:05 PM »
Sometimes any airframe will amaze you. I primarily fly Spits but I have to tell you that they really are Faberge Eggs with cannons when it comes to damage. :aok
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Re: Just for the record, Spitfire...
« Reply #32 on: May 10, 2011, 12:45:29 PM »
Quote from: Ack-Ack on May 10, 2011, 12:31:14 PM
You're Spitfire XIV survived because those planes that were shooting at you were really spraying and praying.  If either of those planes had hit at their convergence point you would have lost that wing.  Also lucky that the cannon hit on the side of your fuselage wasn't in a vital area or your plane wouldn't have survived that hit.

At least in the Spitfire XIV's case, you survived by a little bit of luck and from the other guys not being able to shoot very well rather than because the Spitfire was a damage sponge.

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Agreed, if I would have let anyone get a good shot I would probably not survive. But the same can be said for a P-47, if hit with a good burst at the convergence point it would not survive either.

AKAK, I'm sure you know and understand this already but there are a lot of people in AH who honestly think that Spitfire's wing will come off with one or two shots (not bursts). So those pictures are to show people that it's not as fragile as most think.
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Re: Just for the record, Spitfire...
« Reply #33 on: May 10, 2011, 05:07:40 PM »



2 pings :devil
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Re: Just for the record, Spitfire...
« Reply #34 on: May 10, 2011, 06:37:14 PM »
Quote from: JOACH1M on May 10, 2011, 05:07:40 PM
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2 pings :devil

so...the wing is still attached...  :)


...and those are not pings, their taters
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Re: Just for the record, Spitfire...
« Reply #35 on: May 10, 2011, 06:37:58 PM »
Quote from: JOACH1M on May 10, 2011, 05:07:40 PM
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2 pings :devil

Wait.....that's me!!!!!!!  :furious  :furious  :furious


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Re: Just for the record, Spitfire...
« Reply #36 on: May 10, 2011, 08:34:29 PM »
 :rofl I only saved the film because you snagged me on climb out  :mad:



I had to get ya back! :rofl :airplane: :joystick:
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Re: Just for the record, Spitfire...
« Reply #37 on: May 10, 2011, 09:46:49 PM »
Quote from: JOACH1M on May 10, 2011, 08:34:29 PM
:rofl I only saved the film because you snagged me on climb out  :mad:



I had to get ya back! :rofl :airplane: :joystick:

Could you email me the video please? I'd like to see what exactly happened.
email: machfly5@gmail.com

Thanks
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Re: Just for the record, Spitfire...
« Reply #38 on: May 10, 2011, 10:10:01 PM »
Quote from: MachFly on May 10, 2011, 09:46:49 PM
Could you email me the video please? I'd like to see what exactly happened.
email: machfly5@gmail.com

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Yea, but when I'm home from class I send it
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Re: Just for the record, Spitfire...
« Reply #39 on: May 10, 2011, 10:51:15 PM »
Thanks

Take your time
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Re: Just for the record, Spitfire...
« Reply #40 on: May 12, 2011, 07:32:35 PM »
Quote from: MachFly on May 10, 2011, 12:45:29 PM
Agreed, if I would have let anyone get a good shot I would probably not survive. But the same can be said for a P-47, if hit with a good burst at the convergence point it would not survive either.
 
Really... so your saying that a spitfire is as durable as a P-47??! :huh :headscratch: I'd really like to see how. Did a spitfire take a full auto load from a 190, no. The P-47 was a tank and could take that kind of punishment, the only reason why the P-47 sucks so bad at durability in AH is because it's undermodeled and the uber ack.
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Re: Just for the record, Spitfire...
« Reply #41 on: May 12, 2011, 07:38:22 PM »
Quote from: Ack-Ack on May 10, 2011, 12:31:14 PM
the Spitfire was a damage sponge.

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Re: Just for the record, Spitfire...
« Reply #42 on: May 12, 2011, 07:56:21 PM »
Quote from: THRASH99 on May 12, 2011, 07:32:35 PM
Really... so your saying that a spitfire is as durable as a P-47??! :huh :headscratch: I'd really like to see how. Did a spitfire take a full auto load from a 190, no. The P-47 was a tank and could take that kind of punishment, the only reason why the P-47 sucks so bad at durability in AH is because it's undermodeled and the uber ack.

I don't remember ever saying that the Spitfire is as durable as a P-47, I said that contrary to popular belief it wont go down after two shots.

How do you know that in real life P-47 could take more fire and that our ack is over modeled? Are you an engineer who worked on it or did you fly one in combat? Please tell me as if you are I'd have lots of questions for you.
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Re: Just for the record, Spitfire...
« Reply #43 on: May 12, 2011, 08:04:44 PM »
Quote from: THRASH99 on May 12, 2011, 07:32:35 PM
Really... so your saying that a spitfire is as durable as a P-47??! :huh :headscratch: I'd really like to see how. Did a spitfire take a full auto load from a 190, no. The P-47 was a tank and could take that kind of punishment, the only reason why the P-47 sucks so bad at durability in AH is because it's undermodeled and the uber ack.

He never stated that the Spitfire was as rugged as the P-47, you misunderstood because you lack the basics of reading comprehension.

Quote from: THRASH99 on May 12, 2011, 07:38:22 PM
:lol LOL, go look at some real gun footage

Again, please point out where I said the Spitfire was a "damage sponge".  If you were to have someone that can comprehend what people write, have them read to you my original post again.  They'll explain it to you slowly that I was telling MachFly his survival was more due to poor gunnery of the other player and the lack of hitting MachFly at the convergence point of the other guy's guns.  Had the other guy been a better shot, MachFly's Spitfire wouldn't have absorbed the damage that his plane did.

Quote from: THRASH99 on May 12, 2011, 07:32:35 PM
Really... so your saying that a spitfire is as durable as a P-47??! :huh :headscratch: I'd really like to see how. Did a spitfire take a full auto load from a 190, no. The P-47 was a tank and could take that kind of punishment, the only reason why the P-47 sucks so bad at durability in AH is because it's undermodeled and the uber ack.

How is the P-47 (which model?) under modeled?  Or is this claim come from the same place you pulled your claims of the Spitfire XVI or did you watch something of YouTube again?

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Re: Just for the record, Spitfire...
« Reply #44 on: May 12, 2011, 09:21:58 PM »
No P-47 ever took anything close to the entire ammo load of an Fw190.

The flaw with only looking at some of the amazing shots of pulverized aircraft that limped home is that all the data points of the ones who only took a few rounds and didn't come back are missing from that method of "toughness determination".

I have seen a photo of a Ju88 that was shot down by a single 20mm hit from a Spitfire, and not to the cockpit.

For the little it is worth, I have read quite a few accounts of Spitfires that came back shot up too.
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