New Mossie VI vs 110G2

[Karnak]

IMO they should have the same eny value whatever it would be. They all have advantages and disadvantages against each other, mostly depends on the role and the pilot what will be more successfun. But its much easyer to survive in the mossie.

I think it is something like the Mosquito Mk VI is the poor man's Bf110G-2 in AH "win the war" terms.  The Mosquito Mk VI is one of the aircraft you are supposed to be able to fall back on when you become ENY limited and lose the Bf110G-2.

To those of us who focus on air-to-air this seems silly as the Mosquito Mk VI is more capable than the Bf110G-2 in the air-to-air role, but I think the focus on both of them in ENY terms is on a "win the war" basis, and for that the Bf110G-2 is superior.  The problem with ranking either of them in air-to-air terms is that almost any high end fighter will, with relative ease, have its way with the big twin.

[Scotty55OEFVet]

So will the mossy, 4 20mm has to be enough to take out anything that's flying.

I agree, though the difference can be seen in the Air to Ground role especially. It takes next t no time to Knock a VH down with a 110 on a strafing run, yet when I do the same type of run in a Mossy it can take at least 2 passes. I think in the Air both are deadly though as I can cut a plane in half with almost no prob in either one.

[Debrody]

I think it is something like the Mosquito Mk VI is the poor man's Bf110G-2 in AH "win the war" terms.  The Mosquito Mk VI is one of the aircraft you are supposed to be able to fall back on when you become ENY limited and lose the Bf110G-2.

To those of us who focus on air-to-air this seems silly as the Mosquito Mk VI is more capable than the Bf110G-2 in the air-to-air role, but I think the focus on both of them in ENY terms is on a "win the war" basis, and for that the Bf110G-2 is superior.  The problem with ranking either of them in air-to-air terms is that almost any high end fighter will, with relative ease, have its way with the big twin.

I dont think so. Just compare the pony and the jug, the jug is more capable when its about to win the war (500lbs more bombs, +4 rockets, unlimited ammo). Generally, as a fighter, the pony is better than the D-jug, and it appearsin its eny value.
Btw i seen Bruv land 10+ kills in a mossie. Why? Couse it can dive like crazy, fast, still has tons of ammo, and has better guns than the tempest. Ok, Bruv is good and that was a BnZ fest he did it, but im sure even he wouldnt get 10+ in any other 30eny ride except the d11 jug.

[Karnak]

I dont think so. Just compare the pony and the jug, the jug is more capable when its about to win the war (500lbs more bombs, +4 rockets, unlimited ammo). Generally, as a fighter, the pony is better than the D-jug, and it appearsin its eny value.
Btw i seen Bruv land 10+ kills in a mossie. Why? Couse it can dive like crazy, fast, still has tons of ammo, and has better guns than the tempest. Ok, Bruv is good and that was a BnZ fest he did it, but im sure even he wouldnt get 10+ in any other 30eny ride except the d11 jug.

I'm not disputing that the Mosquito is better for air-to-air.  I am suggesting that HTC may be evaluating both the Mosquito and Bf110G in terms of attack capability.  The P-51D and P-47N you mention as comparison don't match that as they are real fighters, not the half and half Fighter-Bombers that the Mosquito and Bf110G-2 are.

Keep in mind that the Bf110G-2 gets used about 33% more than the Mosquito does, in terms of kills and deaths.  There is a reason for it.  Should it be 10 ENY?  Well, either it is too low or HTC wants to limit such an effective attack platform.  I'd tend to guess the former, but the latter could be part of it.

[Tupac]

I recall awhile back the 110G2 had an ENY of 20 or 25.

[SmokinLoon]

I was just witness to a conversation on vox in the MA regarding how ENY is assigned... the number of theories I heard probably rivals the number of ways HTC could actually employ a formula.

I think it is safe enough to say that there is no set formula.  There may be a starting point in which all the basic attributes are measured and then a value is assigned, but the end result is not as concrete.

  

[STEELE]

I'm not disputing that the Mosquito is better for air-to-air.   <snip>

Keep in mind that the Bf110G-2 gets used about 33% more than the Mosquito does, in terms of kills and deaths.  There is a reason for it.  Should it be 10 ENY?  Well, either it is too low or HTC wants to limit such an effective attack platform.  I'd tend to guess the former, but the latter could be part of it.

I think both the former and the latter. Yes, the 110 is probably the best NOE base roller,
but it would be nice to get some substantial perks for air-to-air kills, as we do in the Mossie.

[icepac]

Maybe a sub-model that doesn't have the 30s could be perked less?

[STEELE]

Maybe a sub-model that doesn't have the 30s could be perked less?

I was thinking when ENY gets over 10, the extra 2 20mils could be disabled, then it would still be good for air to air, but less effective for ground pounding.

[SmokinLoon]

I was thinking when ENY gets over 10, the extra 2 20mils could be disabled, then it would still be good for air to air, but less effective for ground pounding.

Tie me to a pole and light me on fire if not, but I dont think there was ever a variant in which the Mossi ever had only two 20mm.

[Karnak]

Tie me to a pole and light me on fire if not, but I dont think there was ever a variant in which the Mossi ever had only two 20mm.

He is talking about the Bf110G-2.

[bozon]

How about a perked Mossie VI in which you leave the 303 at home and kick out the navigator with his equipment. Easily loosing 500 lbs there.

 
J/K, I will never throw out my navigator. I cannot mix the cocktails, play the bagpipe and fly the plane at the same time by myself. My navigator/butler makes the best inflight cocktails in the RAF (also called cockpitales). Lousy bagpipe player though.

[Karnak]

How about a perked Mossie VI in which you leave the 303 at home and kick out the navigator with his equipment. Easily loosing 500 lbs there.

 
J/K, I will never throw out my navigator. I cannot mix the cocktails, play the bagpipe and fly the plane at the same time by myself. My navigator/butler makes the best inflight cocktails in the RAF (also called cockpitales). Lousy bagpipe player though.

Have you seen the Mossie VI's numbers on 150 octane?

[bozon]

Have you seen the Mossie VI's numbers on 150 octane?

No, it was flying past so fast I couldn't read them.

[Lepape2]

Maybe adjust perk values depending on what kind of ordnance/gun package/fuel is taken? Would work a bit like the russian roulette... except HTC would have to decide the ENY values for every different weapon permutations possible. For the 110G2 that would be a lot just for one plane. That would be the only way to make some people on this tread happy. Otherwise, there ain't much we can do about it.